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- From: Steven_Hurdle@amusers.UUCP (Steven Hurdle)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
- Subject: Re: Why I bought a CD-I yesterday and what Commodore needs to do about
- Distribution: world
- Message-ID: <Steven_Hurdle.00s1@amusers.UUCP>
- Date: 20 Dec 92 00:45:20 PST
- Organization: AmUsers - The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC
- Lines: 128
-
- In a message dated Sat 19 Dec 92 2:55, Jkh@whisker.lotus.ie (jordan K. Hub
- wrote:
-
- JKH> I have seen CDTVs on display in Europe a total of three times. Once
- JKH> at a games shop in Munich (where I bought mine) and in one Karstadt
- JKH> store (also in Munich), where it was switched off and languishing in
- JKH> a
- JKH> corner. The third appearance was at an electronics store in
- JKH> Nurnberg
- JKH> where it was playing a 20 second German produced clip of Boris
- JKH> Becker
-
- Interesting. I've seen CDTV on display in 4 shops locally here in Victoria
- BC, and we're a modest three hundred thousand (300000) people in size.
-
- JKH> Now, you make the very good point that much of this "polish" is a
- JKH> direct
- JKH> result of Phillips throwing large chunks of cash at the problem and
- JKH> I
- JKH> agree that poor sales (the store where I bought my CD-I has sold a
- JKH> grand
- JKH> total of 3, including mine!) are going to really hurt. Nonetheless,
- JKH> I don't
- JKH> see Phillips giving up for at least another year, since the machine
- JKH> AND
- JKH> its titles have been available in Ireland, at least, for only 4
- JKH> weeks now.
- JKH> If, in this year, they throw enough money at people to produce even
- JKH> 10
- JKH> new good titles, I'll consider the machine more than worth the
- JKH> investment.
-
- About a year ago, the first CD-I unit appeared in a local shop here. It
- was there about a month or so. It left soon after, and was replaced by a
- CDTV unit. To this day that store stocks CDTV units and titles. They
- didn't sell any CD-I units, not a one, and no stores have any interest in
- bringing it in. CDTV has won here by default. There isn't even enough
- interest here for stores to bring CD-I in. Meanwhile, CDTV continues to
- sell...
-
- JKH> I still see the biggest market for these types of machines among
- JKH> the
- JKH> computer owners, and with CD-I being in the audio section of stores
- JKH> and
- JKH> having no automatically-loyal group of computer enthusiasts like
- JKH> CDTV has,
-
- JKH> Well, I won't argue the point that CDTV's loyal amiga following has
- JKH> helped initial sales quite a bit, but I still don't think it's
- JKH> helped
- JKH> that much. A large number of sales will be to techy types like me
- JKH> who
- JKH> are very impressed with the features the CD-I offers (the use of
- JKH> color
- JKH> has to be seen to be believed - I can't believe I ever thought HAM
- [snip]
- JKH> can't see any reference in the manuals). Don't forget that initial
- JKH> Amiga sales were to those very same techy types who were willing to
- JKH> take a chance on a new machine. Admittedly, the CD-I doesn't have
- JKH> the
- JKH> same appeal as you can't program it, but a couple more games like
- JKH> the Golf simulation (and I don't even like golf) and it will turn
- JKH> more
- JKH> than a few heads just on the "wow!" factor alone.
-
- That's not exactly my point. The Amiga was still a computer at least.
- Sure, it attracted the hobbyists mostly at first but it still had the
- entire computer-enthusiast market to draw-upon and it eventually started
- selling to "normal" computer buyers which made it whatever sort of a
- success it is (depends on who you ask! :). CD-I is different. Being a new
- type of product, CDTV/CD-I/VIS must forge the market and blaze the trails.
- I'm suggesting that it seems there may not be much of a market for this
- sort of thing after all. By-and-large they've only caught on with computer
- enthusiasts, and if this remains true then CDTV's heritage and connection
- to the Amiga will serve it well. CD-I not only faces the task of proving
- its merit as a multimedia appliance, but proving a need for such a product
- in the first place. CDTV does not NEED to rely on this, as it can always
- fall back on the Amiga enthusiasts if there proves to be little market for
- multimedia appliances.
-
- JKH> Don't get me wrong: I still remain a loyal Amiga/CDTV fan (and wish
- JKH> they'd get their thumb out on the true color extensions they've been
- JKH> promising forever and a day!), but I think it's unfair to bash
- JKH> Phillips
- JKH> just because they're the competition. If you simply look at what
- JKH> they've done, you'll probably agree that they deserve a lot of the
- JKH> same
- JKH> kudos that Commodore originally got for the Amiga. There's a lot
- JKH> about
- JKH> the technology that's quite impressive, for the price.
-
- You're correct that it has 24-bit colour. I'm critical of the unit for
- other reasons than its colour, which is rather good actually. Primarily,
- the lack of any computer sound-generation is ludicrous. EVERY SINGLE
- SOUND, from every shot or explosion in a shoot-em-up to a simple "click"
- sound when picking an on-screen option, must come off of the CD as
- digital-audio. This turns even the simplest sound-tasks into a horrendous
- mess. You either have to waste a lot of your access time continually
- grabbing sounds on demand or you must fill-up a lot of available RAM with
- dozens of digital-audio snippets for every conceivable sound. Ridiculous.
-
- The controller I won't comment on, as some love it and some hate it.
- Maybe they'll provide a different controller option anyway to silence the
- critics of that. They'd be wise to do so, though I haven't heard of any
- plans.
-
- BTW, did you notice that Magnavox (the company who was to be the first
- distributor of a CD-I machine) has abandoned CD-I and is now involved with
- VIS (which forced Phillips to market the first machine themselves).
-
- Also, now that CD-I is being marketed in some places as a game machine, and
- other places simply as a Photo-CD delivery device, don't you feel it's
- reasonable to think that the rate at which new "serious" titles, such as
- you listed as being your favourites, might be slow in coming from now on?
-
- JKH> Jordan Hubbard Lotus Development Ireland jkh@whisker.lotus.ie
- JKH> I DO NOT SPEAK FOR LOTUS - IT HAS PLENTY OF LAWYERS TO DO THAT FOR
- JKH> IT ALREADY
-
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