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- From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
- Newsgroups: comp.std.internat,news.admin.misc
- Subject: Re: 8-bit news
- Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:10:59 -0500
- Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
- Lines: 43
- Message-ID: <1gtep3INNbm8@rodan.UU.NET>
- References: <CKD.92Dec15215407@loiosh.eff.org> <1gma3uINN2e6@rodan.UU.NET> <davecb.724685064@yorku.ca>
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-
- In article <davecb.724685064@yorku.ca> davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown) writes:
- > SAML and SOML are underused on the internet, yet the equivalent
- >on BITnet is heavily used....
-
- The only problem it that BITNET is dying... (not exactly a problem, i'm very
- glad than RJE and all that stuff becomes a matter of folklore).
-
- talk is much better than SMTP's SEND anyway.
-
- > Don't take them out of the spec: you may want them later,and a standard
- >way of doing them is desirable.
-
- Nobody calls to change SMTP commands. All we need is to get rid of the
- 7-bit restriction.
-
- > VRFY is utterly necessary to postmasters, and is therefor mandated by the
- >Hosts Requirements RFC: finger is shut down on all too many sites, and so
- >vrfy/expn are required to verify adressees when mail goes astray.
-
- MAIL/RCPT followed by QUIT works just as fine. VRFY and EXPN practically
- never issued by software (though it can save some typing).
-
- > And HELO is the hook for stronger authentication: even now it and thge
- >recieved lines allow me to spot (poorly-)forged mail at a glance.
-
- It you need something even remotely resembling autentication you'd better
- use DNS to get the name from peer's IP address. Any forger with IQ higher
- than 50 can say HELO with anything he wants. As it is it's nothing more
- than wasted bandwidth.
-
- >(small flame) If you've implemented smtp, you should really know all that...
-
- Somehow my software (uumail/batchmail/newsserver/uucp line disc.) handles mail
- and news on all backbones in ex-Soviet countries. And as i already said
- the 8-bit problem was solved without adding ugly encodings to already
- bloated software. Flame somebody else.
-
- BTW, the central RELCOM backbone handling the number of links comparable with
- UUNET's currently runs on a couple of uVAX-es III and few 486s. The "vanilla"
- e-mail software is uttelrly sloppy and inefficient and we had to hack
- it a lot (or sometimes to throw away and rewrite from scratch).
-
- --vadim
-