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- From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
- Subject: Re: 8-bit news
- Message-ID: <BzBJIA.3AM@ra.nrl.navy.mil>
- Keywords: ISO8859 ISO10646 8bit
- Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil
- Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC
- References: <Bz9Bw3.2I6@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <89RsVB3w165w@blues.kk.sub.org>
- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:56:34 GMT
- Lines: 50
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- In article <89RsVB3w165w@blues.kk.sub.org> kosta@blues.kk.sub.org (Kosta Kostis) writes:
-
- >> I *KNOW* of at least 3 systems (combinations of OS + hardware) that
- >> will flat out crash if offered certain fairly common 8-bit
- >> ISO-8859-like characters. I'm not going to say which ones in public
- >> because some lurker would go and use this to crash someone else's
- >> machine maliciously.
-
- >I have never said one can do that *without* changing some software
- >at some places. So, what's the "nonsense" in here?
-
- The systems are mostly orphans. In some cases, the vendor doesn't
- even exist anymore. The software effectively cannot be changed. Such
- systems are a large part of the reason that the DDN has had an awful
- time trying to convert to the Domain Name System. Heck some of the
- older systems from still existing vendors used 6-bit characters rather
- than 7-bit ASCII. Ever programmed on a Cyber ? Mayhaps not. However
- many such systems won't go away or be replaced soon for financial and
- other reasons.
-
- >If a system is not capable of storing and forwarding 8-bit octets,
- >why is it connected to the Internet? Maybe we should simply not route
- >anything over those systems. Old hardware got to be replaced someday
- >and should it be only because of the energy it consumes... ;-)
-
- The Internet does not require that any machine use any particular
- internal word size or character size. No RFC requires the use of
- 8-bit characters and no standards-track RFC is likely to require that
- soon, if ever.
-
- Because of dynamic routing, the vagaries of MX handling, and other
- factors, it isn't really possibly to prevent mail traffic from being
- misrouted via any particular host. This is why the ESMTP draft on
- 8-bit extensions REQUIRES that the sending host do a handshake to
- verify that the receiving host says that it can handle 8-bit BEFORE
- any 8-bit gets sent. News uses a flooding algorithm for article
- propogation and so there isn't really much user control over routing.
-
- >> The second is to have a standard for marking the contents of
- >> messages in standard headers using standard syntax and standard
- >> tokens. If I understand Henry correctly, he is putting together a
- >> draft, based on MIME, that addresses this second issue.
-
- >Didn't MIME specify some encodings already? And wasn't ISO 8859-1
- >the default for 8bit encoded text? (hm...)
-
- MIME only talked about Internet email, not news. Henry's draft will
- apparently talk about news issues and so forth.
-
-
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