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- From: price@linus.serum.kodak.com (Kevin Price (x37128))
- Subject: SUMMARY Re: DOS interface tools (windows,menus), C++ preferred
- Message-ID: <1992Dec18.172149.9373@clpd.kodak.com>
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- Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:21:49 GMT
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-
- I was looking for some basic DOS text-based interface tools. I only needed
- some basic stuff and wanted recommendations for or against cheap or free
- stuff. I can't just scan archives because I don't have ftp access. Also,
- our mailer mangles our return addresses so I can't use the email server as
- suggested by two responders.
-
- Response was less than overwhelming. A few suggestions for TurboVision
- (I'm using BC++). Unfortunately, I don't have it and it would cost too much
- to purchase separately ($100). One person mentioned a SIMTEL package called
- TCXL which he had used but was planning to switch. I couldn't get my
- archive to unpack properly, so I haven't fully checked it out. It seems
- pretty extensive, and is $50 shareware. Also at SIMTEL is DFLAT (collected
- from Dr Dobb's Journal), and PCWIN-C Both seem to be freeware. Based on
- my cursory overview, PCWIN-C seems more extensive, and comes with more docu-
- mentation. However, I believe documentation for DFLAT can be found from
- the relevant issues (about 10-15 of them I think) of Dr Dobb's Journal, which
- can also be obtained at SIMTEL.
-
- I'm sure there must be more packages out there. I'm still interested in
- more pointers or recommendations if any one has any info. Below are all
- the responses I got.
-
-
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- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 09:29:57 MST
- Subject: Re: WANTED: DOS interface tools (windows,menus), C++ preferred
-
-
- Could you forward your summary to me? I'd really appreciate it. I've
- been looking at the commercial end of things in this area, and so far
- I've evaluated the following products:
-
- zApp
- Mewel
- Vitamin C
- SUIT (not commercial)
- Zinc
- TCXL
-
- Some are C, some C++.
-
- TCXL is shareware. I've been with them a long time, but I'm about to
- drop them in favor of something else. They took way too long to get
- the last upgrade to their library out. Then, when they did, I took
- the better part of a day to recompile my libraries, and almost all of
- the demo apps they shipped would crash my machine. Grr. Too bad--I
- like to support small business, but it looks like I'm going to have to
- go somewhere else.
-
- For programs that don't need total CUA-compliance and no mouse
- support, I may stick with v5.52 of their libs, or v6.10 without their
- "TCXLUI" component. The EXEs are decently sized and form entry
- support is excellent. I'm just trying to make our in-house apps look
- good and not so...primitive.
-
- I rejected the above for the reasons below, but not all of the above
- libraries had these problems. I just don't remember which had what.
-
- Libraries too expensive/no source code
- Executables too big.
- Executables tacked resource info onto the .EXE, thus rendering
- programs like PK-LITE unusable.
- Demo programs crashed.
- Non-CUA compliant interface.
- Not enough user feedback (i.e. mouse click on button caused
- something to happen right away, instead
- of providing a highlighted button display
- and allowing user to move mouse off button
- in case he/she changed his/her mind.)
- Quirky UI elements (spinbuttons that don't work intuitively, etc.)
-
- I have the unique requirement that my exes should fit on a 360K
- diskette with room to spare for datafiles. Frustrating, huh?
-
- Hope I provided some useful info. I look forward to your summary.
-
- ------------
- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:37:22 -0600
- Subject: Re: WANTED: DOS interface tools (windows,menus), C++ preferred
-
-
- Well, you might be interested in the following if you have email access:
-
- [..]
-
- 13) How to FTP by email.
-
- There are a number of sites that archive the Usenet sources newsgroups
- and make them available via an email query system. You send a message
- to an automated server saying something like "send comp.sources.unix/fbm",
- and a few hours or days later you get the file in the mail.
-
- In addition, there is at least one FTP-by-mail server. Send mail to
- ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com saying "help" and it will tell you how to use
- it. Note that this service has at times been turned off due to abuse.
-
- [..]
-
- As mentioned above, if you can not ftp directly, you can
- use one of the mail servers mentioned above to ftp. In addition, there
- are archie mail servers as well. A whole host of services are available;
- you may wish to look in the group alt.internet.services for more, and
- ask your site administrator for more information. Also, a good
- book to read is _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Internet_, which is available
- for ftp, though I'd have to look it up to tell you where.
-
- However, you might not be able to accept ftp via email, depending
- on your situation. But maybe you will find this useful.
-
-
-
- Well, if you're going to be using BC++ 3.0, what about Turbo Vision?
- It comes free with your $500+ compiler :) and fits all of your
- specifications (I'm not sure about the 50 line VGA, but I'm pretty
- sure it does.)
-
- Unfortunately, all apps created using the TV framework are an ungodly
- size. Just a hello window can be 100k; you may wish to optimize for
- size rather than speed.
-
- All of the other criterion are satisfied. Plus, there's lots of
- example code, and I'm sure that you can find a lot of other TV
- programmers on the net if you get stuck. The one bad thing about
- TV is that the underlying parts are complex; and sometimes it is
- necessary to know what it is doing and how.
-
- ------------
- Subject: Re: WANTED: DOS interface tools (windows,menus), C++ preferred
- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:05:08 GMT
-
-
- Borland C++ 3.1 comes with Turbo Vision which is exactly what you want. Do
- you not have an upgrade available? Our bookstore sells educational versions
- for $125...I would imagine you could get one at your local educational
- institution if you find a student to ID you into the store...
-
- ------------
- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:45:05 EST
- To: price@clpd.KODAK.COM
- Subject: Re: WANTED: DOS interface tools (windows,menus), C++ preferred
-
-
- You've probably looked at this and decided against, but you should probably
- consider BC++ TurboVision. It has all the your requirements except
- for price. And I don't know the price, as I got mine with BC++ 3.0.
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- -Kevin Price price@serum.kodak.com
-
- (please use the address above ^ The mailer may call me
- nobody@kodak.com, but IMHO, I am not.)
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