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- From: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>
- Reply-To: Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no>
- Message-ID: <19921213.003@erik.naggum.no>
- Date: 13 Dec 1992 13:34:39 +0100
- References: <t29qqv-@lynx.unm.edu> <1992Dec10.192501.181@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> <1g8k4hINN3d2@milk.Warren.MENTORG.COM> <1992Dec11.002711.8145@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
- Subject: Re: A Paper on the Social Forces Behind the Development of Usenet
- Lines: 42
-
- [Tom Limoncelli]
- :
- | I think the author of this paper should go back and re-read the FAQ
- | on what Usenet is NOT.
-
- [Ken Arromdee]
- :
- | Your own argument betrays you here. Since Usenet is an anarchy,
- | there's no real reason he should accept that FAQ as an authoritative
- | description of Usenet.
-
- Sorry, but you've got "anarchy" all wrong. Anarchy means "no ruler", or
- "no ruling power". It does _not_ mean "no rules", or "no authorities".
- All it means is "absence of a legally sanctioned force to make people
- obey rules or authorities". However, people living in an anarchy like
- order and strive to create it as much as anywhere else, i.e., they will
- obey rules and authorities when they find them to be productive to their
- ends. The neat thing with an anarchy is that its members can _choose_
- the rules and authorities, on an individual basis.
-
- A democracy, on the other hand, has nothing to do with making individual
- choices for oneself. It has to do with having a power structure to
- ensure that all its members (citizens) obey the choices made by a
- majority. That people make "tentative choices" and submit them to a
- counting system that returns which of them is the most popular and then
- discards the other choices, does not affect the end result that people
- are still ruled, but the rulers are governed by the votes.
-
- Whether people in a democracy are free or not, depends on what the
- majority can make the minority do, i.e., the constitution which rules
- the democratic power structures.
-
- For Americans, where "democracy" usually means "freedom", this
- distinction is probably as foreign as the countries in which "democracy"
- means "tyrrany by (the representatives of) the majority", such as in
- Norway and in Israel.
-
- Thus, your association of "freedom" with "democracy" is as bogus as your
- association of "disorder, chaos" with "anarchy".
-
- Best regards,
- </Erik>
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