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- From: rpw3@rigden.wpd.sgi.com (Rob Warnock)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.cell-relay
- Subject: Re: Computers dont like ATM?
- Message-ID: <tmp0lkg@sgi.sgi.com>
- Date: 17 Dec 92 04:27:23 GMT
- Sender: rpw3@rigden.wpd.sgi.com
- Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA
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- finn@dalek.isi.edu (Greg Finn) writes:
- +---------------
- | rpw3@rigden.wpd.sgi.com (Rob Warnock) writes:
- |
- | >Currently the big holdup is the ODL prices, but when those plummet ("soon"),
- | >the prices for the gigabit encoder/decoder chips will be the bottleneck.
- | >*That's* what needs work (e.g., price reduction).
- |
- | Ahh. I see now your misunderstanding or my lack of clarity.
- | I worry about building gigabit NETWORK links.
- +---------------
-
- So was I, only short-haul ones (less than, say, 500 meters or so).
-
- +---------------
- | That includes the framing, encoder/decoder, and for 1300nm fiber, the OFC
- | logic needed to meet Class I compliance.
- +---------------
-
- For short [see above] links with pigtailed transmitters [*not* connectorized],
- you can hold your power low enough to not worry about Class I compliance.
- But that's a detail, since link control is (or will be) built in to many of
- the serializers.
-
- +---------------
- | A typical gigabit fiber link for a network needs a framer, an encoder, a
- | decoder, an optical transmitter, a detector and an OFC circuit. If you are
- | point-to-point you need two sets to be duplex.
- +---------------
-
- Yes, of course. But the frame/encoder/decoder is already a single chip (and
- some even have or will have the OFC stuff in them).
-
- +---------------
- | I can't get there from here today unless I spend circa $1500
- | for parts alone. But I can get the parts. What you call the ODL is
- | not the majority of the cost.
- +---------------
-
- Well, until the "new" ODLs ("Optical Data Link", a transmitter/receiver pair)
- come out, the best I have seen for a gigabit is *$3000* the pair, *plus* your
- $1500 for other chips. (The new ODLs will drop the ~$3000 to $500 or less...)
-
- +---------------
- | >Ironically, it is the LAN applications that are now pushing the deployment
- | >schedule for ATM, so the components won't see volume production by the time
- | >the first ATM LANs start being installed... so prices will be high at first.
- |
- | I do not see 655 Mb/s OC-12 being pushed commercially for LANs
- | for quite some time. Some major computer manufacturers are moving
- | toward 155 Mb/s and decommitting from their originally rosy prediction
- | of OC-12. I guessed publicly that it was because OC-12 rates require
- | costly gigabit links ... meaning gigabit network links. I still think
- | that it is a good guess.
- +---------------
-
- Well, the HIPPI market is looking quite eagerly at 622 Mb/s ATM (or so
- we've been told), because HIPPI fiber-optic extenders are so expensive
- (over $10K per end). [HIPPI only goes 25m in copper.] And most HIPPI
- users would be willing to settle for 622 instead of 800, given that
- few systems can drive at the full 800 Mb/s anyway...
-
- +---------------
- | 155 Mb/s with ATM's encoding overhead gets me somewhere in the
- | neighborhood of 80 Mb/s of TCP/IP payload in today's Internet. Hardly
- | exciting.
- +---------------
-
- Well, as somebody pointed out to me, with SONET coding the actual cell
- payload data rate is 135.63 Mb/s, substantially *above* FDDI, especially
- when you consider it's full-duplex continuously.
-
- +---------------
- | It won't get you the headroom that you need for studio NTSC.
- +---------------
-
- The people I know who do that sort of stuff think so, with within-frame
- JPEG compression.
-
- +---------------
- | For bandwidth in the gigabit domain for LANs, it looks to me
- | as if Fibre Channel may have a commercial leg-up on ATM in the gigabit
- | LAN arena. My problem with Fibre Channel is that it makes the
- | overhead of ATM carrying Internet packets look quite small by
- | comparison.
- +---------------
-
- And I see the opposite. Oh well...
-
- +---------------
- | It will be an interesting next two years.
- +---------------
-
- *Exactly* because it's not clear what will win.
-
-
- -Rob
-