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- From: "Bruce E. Nevin" <bnevin@CCB.BBN.COM>
- Subject: discrete perceptions
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- [From: Bruce Nevin ()Fri 921218 13:50:21]
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- (Bill Powers (921217.0930) to John Gabriel ) --
-
- Don't we get something like discrete states in the latch
- mechanism for steps in events and sequences? And indeed for
- category perceptions and on up?
-
- It seems to me that, as the strength of some category perception
- grows, it becomes easier (more acceptable?) to fill in missing
- category-attribute perceptions by imagination. At some
- threshold, or seeming threshold, where imagined perceptions are
- integrated with real-time perceptions, it is as though the
- exemplar of the category is perceived as fully or truly present,
- whereas before there were only unsupported signs or symptoms that
- fostered a belief, readiness, or expectation.
-
- There is an analogy to the relation of continua to discreta in
- language. In language, pronunciations are continuous phenomena,
- but speakers and hearers perceive words (morphemes) as (probably
- event-level) sequences of discrete tokens, where the types are
- sound contrasts established by social convention for their speech
- community. Children probably learn a limited stock of words
- first, and then learn the conventional contrasts and the
- type-token relation of sounds to contrasts in words, which in
- turn enables learning and recognizing a richer stock of words.
- Language probably evolved in its first stages by such a route.
-
- >>3. The idea of the rate of information transmission down a
- >>discrete channel, being the the upper bound of the number of
- >>binary decisions a recipent can make in a second, and first put
- >>forth by Claude Shannon in the two 1949 papers in BSTJ.
- >
- >But all real neural systems work with continuous, not discrete,
- >variables. Neurons do not respond to incoming impulse streams by
- >making "decisions" but by harboring continuously-variable
- >chemical concentrations and potentials which in turn determine
- >the frequency of outgoing impulses. The computations done by a
- >neuron are analogue computations based on continuous internal
- >electrochemical variables. Certainly information theory could be
- >applied to these processes. But it doesn't help you model them.
-