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- From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
- Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
- Subject: Re: Open Access Computing NOW
- Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:49:58 GMT
- Organization: University of Houston
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- In article <9212120733.AA03282@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> schuyler@acf9.nyu.edu
- (Gabriel M. Schuyler) writes:
- #From my reading of the past few months of CAFnews, it has come to my
- #attention that we are all fighting our own separate battles with the
- #adminstration of academic computing facilities. I recently transfered
- from
- #UC Santa Cruz to New York University and was appalled to see that NYU
- does
- #not have a policy of giving a full UNIX account to the students.
- #
- #You can get a VAX Shell that lets you use mail and telnet, but FTP is out
- #of the question. It requires a faculty sponsor to get an account, and
- #since I am not currently enrolled in a CS class, I had to ask the dean of
- #the college to sign the form that would allow me a UNIX account.
- #
- #Basically, I believe that access to the internet is an information
- resource
- #like any other (e.g. the library) and that the University should allow
- #access to the internet to all students without question.
- #
- #So, what I'd like to see is a UNIFIED front on getting complete access to
- #the Internet for all students. I propose an organization of students,
- #faculty, sysadmins &c with a document describing an "Open Access
- Computing
- #Policy" that we could get signed by people across the country.
- #
- #This way, we can have a piece of paper with endorsements from the leaders
- #of the industry that we can give to the computing department and the
- board
- #of directors of our colleges and propose that they adopt it, so that all
- #students can have access to the Internet.
- #
- #I only read the caf-news, so please reply in a manner that will reach me.
- #I am willing to put a lot of work into this. If you've got ideas, or
- would
- #like to see an Open Access Computing Policy at your university, please
- send
- #me e-mail.
- #
- #It's about time someone ensured Open Access for all students at all
- #Universities. All aboard. . . ?
- #
- #-Gabe
- #-----
- #Gabriel M. Schuyler - 55 second ave #3 - Macintosh Consultant
- #schuyler@acf9.nyu.edu - New York, ny 10003 - Pager: 917.879.0345
-
- It is kind of interesting to read what people have written when they don't
- have a grasp of the entire situation. Here, at the University of Houston,
- we have a similar policy. All students can get a "student" account on the
- main academic VMS cluster here if they show proof of enrollment (i.e., fee
- statement). This account allows for UseNet News, Email, and text editing.
- There is not an ability to use the various compilers or other specialized
- utilities.
-
- A few years ago, I also hopped on the bandwagon, claiming that all
- students are entitled to a *nix account and should have unlimited access
- to all benefits of internet access including telnet and ftp. I became the
- secretary of the Student Chapter of ACM here on campus. We tried to make
- a difference and pressured Academic Computing for changes. We got some
- changes, we didn't get others...
-
- I learned after making alot of friends in Academic Computing that they
- _do_ have a goal (one that is measurable and currently in action) to
- provide complete access [Open Access] to computing resources to every
- student on campus. Our campus has 34,000 students and this will be no
- small task! However, at this stage, it is simply a matter of resources.
- There are already 8,000 students on the Academic cluster and resources are
- tapped to the bone. Imagine adding another 25,000 students!
-
- So, for now, to stretch the limited resources of Academic computing as far
- as possible, there are differing kinds of accounts, depending on your
- need. If you just want an account, you get a student account. If you are
- enrolled in a CS or other computer class, you get a "class" account. If
- you are doing research for faculty or group, you get a graduate or
- undergraduate research account. If you are staff, you get a staff
- account. If you are faculty, a faculty account.
-
- This structure has a long way to go to please everyone on campus.
- Students gripe about limited access or that there account is going to
- expire at the end of the semester. Faculty and staff complain that they
- can't seem to get enough disk quota to do all their work. Everyone
- complains when the system is down because one of the ancient disk
- controllers burned up. However, in the 5 years I have been here (as a
- student and staff), I have seen the changes, although they are alittle
- slow, happen in the policies of Academic Computing.
-
- It basically boils down to resources, and in general, resources boil down
- to finances. And if New York is anything like Texas, Higher Education is
- having it's budget slashed every year by the state government, while the
- demand for Higher Education resources (all resources) is ever increasing.
- Are you willing to pay heavily for the resources you demand now?
- Currently, our computer usage fee is $40/semester. To provide some of the
- computing resources that is demanded by everyone would require the fee to
- be more than $400/semester. And no one is willing to pay a 10 fold
- increase in fees when every other fee is increasing left and right...
-
- So, before you dive too deeply into the pool, see what the direction of
- the computing center at NYU. Talk to the people in the know. Talk to the
- operators, the grunts, the underpaid and overworked computing
- professionals. They can give you the most realistic picture of the
- future of computing in your institution (it is pretty bright here at UH!).
- If it looks good, then keep on them and see what the timetables are. Form
- a student organization to keep pressure on your computing center to keep
- moving. But, in the battle of student wants vs money, the students will
- always loose...
-
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