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- From: rob@wzv.win.tue.nl (Rob J. Nauta)
- Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.security.misc,alt.privacy,alt.security
- Subject: Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystroke monitoring
- Message-ID: <4200@wzv.win.tue.nl>
- Date: 13 Dec 92 12:50:36 GMT
- References: <1992Dec10.025308.14768@nntp.hut.fi> <1992Dec10.094119.24516@netcom.com> <1992Dec10.163250.9286@news2.cis.umn.edu> <1992Dec10.175858.7486@netcom.com> <q50qgdg@dixie.com>
- Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
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- jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
-
- >strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
-
- ->The notion that people should be warned about monitoring, when it
- ->is done legally, is a fundamental civil liberties notion. It is
- ->in the same class as "fair warnings" of many other kinds.
-
- >Damn straight. If Jerk-eeee doesn't want his keystrokes monitored, his
- >option is to own his own machine. If he is a guest on someone else's machine
- >or is on his employer's or institution's machine, he plays by their
- >rules or does not play. Nothing difficult to understand about that.
-
- C'mon ! you're saying that if Jyrki doesn't want his boss tapping
- his phone, he should bring his own PABX and phones, or avoid using
- the phone ? Get real ! The same goes for keystroke monitoring, why
- do you think phone tapping is illegal, even if you own the company's
- internal phone system ?
-
- >Dave, My executive summary of the CERT announcement WOULD be "if you're
- >keystroke monitoring, cover your ass by providing warnings." Good
- >advice in this interesting society we live in.
-
- Pretty hypocrite of CERT since they've been providing tools for
- the select few experts, including a version of /usr/etc/in.telnetd
- that logs keystrokes since 1990. I've been surprized myself with
- a few keystroke logs and the warning that 'they' had tens of megabytes
- of logs on tape for all users (since telnetd runs before login, there
- is no way to differentiate between users).
-
- Rob
-
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