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- From: grjost@uts.amdahl.com (Garrett Jost)
- Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.security.misc,alt.privacy
- Subject: Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystroke monitoring
- Message-ID: <26Cu03elc3du00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>
- Date: 12 Dec 92 21:33:26 GMT
- References: <q50qgdg@dixie.com> <1992Dec11.164849.3491@nic.csu.net> <e6TZ03sdc2.200@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> <1992Dec12.064534.3499@nic.csu.net>
- Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
- Lines: 56
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- oleg@gd.cs.csufresno.edu writes:
-
- >In article <e6TZ03sdc2.200@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> grjost@uts.amdahl.com (Garrett Jost) writes:
- >>oleg@gd.cs.csufresno.edu writes:
- >>
- >>>In article <q50qgdg@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
- >>>>strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
- >>>>
- >>>>>The notion that people should be warned about monitoring, when it
- >>>>>is done legally, is a fundamental civil liberties notion. It is
- >>>>>in the same class as "fair warnings" of many other kinds.
- >>>>
- >>>>Damn straight. If Jerk-eeee doesn't want his keystrokes monitored, his
- >>>>option is to own his own machine. If he is a guest on someone else's machine
- >>>>or is on his employer's or institution's machine, he plays by their
- >>>>rules or does not play. Nothing difficult to understand about that.
- >>>>
- >>
- >>>Huh? If I work for company X, X automatically has full rights to read
- >>>my mail or search my home? Or maybe only if it officially warns me
- >>>about this on it's front entrance? :).
- >>
- >>Maybe his e-mail, but not his home. John was saying that anything that
- >>you use that is owned by your company may be monitored by them. Hey, my
- >>company did not say when I hired in that I can e-mail all my friends and
- >>expect 100% privacy. It's their computers: they can do what they want,
- >>and if I don't like it, then I don't use their machines!
- >>
- >>They also have the right to search my office, since it's actually theirs!
- >>But they don't have the right to search my apartment: it's mine.
- >>
-
- >So, since mail system is owned by state, it's Ok for state to read my paper
- >mail without any reason as well ;-)
-
- Ah, but you just brought two new factors in. One is "state" (I'll assume
- you mean the U.S. govt.), and the other is "mail system" (and I'll assume
- you are talking about the U.S. Post Office).
-
- What you just said is plainly illegal, but not because of the "right of
- privacy". There are specific laws that make that illegal.
-
- Maybe one day it will be illegal to scan e-mail. But for now, its not! Just
- look at Prodigy.
-
- I'll leave on this note: On many systems, if you mail a letter to a non-
- existent user, the message gets sent back, but a copy also goes to
- "postmaster". So if you mistype a friend's e-mail address and write
- he/she a very personal message, it isn't very personal anymore, is it?
-
-
- --
- Garrett
-
- "These are my opinions and do not necessarily represent the opinions of my
- employer."
-