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- From: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)
- Subject: Re: animals in research
- Message-ID: <Bxu5sr.tE@wpg.com>
- Organization: WP Group
- References: <1992Nov9.223222.10233@athena.cs.uga.edu>
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:07:37 GMT
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- From article <1992Nov9.223222.10233@athena.cs.uga.edu>, by hulsey@athena.cs.uga.edu (Martin Hulsey):
- mh> When I exchanged "letters to the editor" with Barnard in our
- mh> local newspaper (The Athens Observer 4/2/92), he said that John
- mh> Orem's research had "nothing of clinical value," and was "macabre
- mh> and useless." I replied (ibid., 4/16/92) that Barnard was not
- mh> qualified to make such judgements against Orem, because his
- mh> publication record (two papers in Medline since 1986 when I last
- mh> checked) would not qualify him for a position at a second-rate
- mh> university, much less at UGA. I never heard back from him or
- mh> PCRM's lawyer. What I said was true, and therefore not libelous.
-
- I would agree that such a record of publication might not qualify
- a person for a position at a second-rate university. On the
- other hand, it certainly wouldn't disqualify him/her for a
- position at a top-rate university. The ivy league institution
- that I occasionally call "alma mater" has, for the past twenty
- years or so, been turning it's back on the cretinous notion that
- a thinker's qualifications can be judged by the sheer number of
- his publications.
-
- BTW, I'd strongly recommend _Betrayers of the Truth: Fraud and
- Deceit in the Halls of Science_, by William Broad and Nicholas
- Wade, which explores the role that the "publish or perish"
- mentality has played in cheapening scientific exploration and
- scientific honesty in the United States.
-
- > ...
- mh> I already told you what sort of research I would allow. Why
- mh> can't you return the favor? All you have indicated was that you
- mh> would like to review proposed experiments on a case-by-case
- mh> basis. Did you mean that you wanted to review every experiment
- mh> personally, or did you just want them reviewed by someone? How
- mh> would you modify the _status quo_ to simultaneously protect the
- mh> interests of human and non-human animals? Would failing to
- mh> perform a critical experiment be worse than performing one that
- mh> proved trivial? How do we determine, in advance, which
- mh> experiments are critical and which are trivial?
-
- PCRM member, Henry Heimlich, appeared on a recent episode of _The
- Nature of Things_, to discuss his fervent opposition to a
- proposed animal research project in the early 1980's, wherein a
- prospective researcher wished to study the use of the Heimlich
- maneuver on drowning victims by deliberate drowning 42 healthy
- beagles. Heimlich pointed out that the efficacy of the famous
- maneuver bearing his name had already been demonstrated on
- drowned humans and that the deliberate drowning of dogs would
- have been useless. The project was eventually cancelled, thanks
- to public pressure as well as Heimlich's opposition. Was
- Heimlich qualified to make such an assessment?
-
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