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- From: spurrett@superbowl.und.ac.za (David Spurrett)
- Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc,sci.philosophy.tech
- Subject: Re: FREE WILL 3: Observability (was Re: FREE WILL 2)
- Message-ID: <spurrett.58.722363888@superbowl.und.ac.za>
- Date: 21 Nov 92 16:38:08 GMT
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- References: <spurrett.37.721583229@superbowl.und.ac.za> <spurrett.49.722073557@superbowl.und.ac.za> <1992Nov18.202733.32173@mp.cs.niu.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov18.202733.32173@mp.cs.niu.edu> rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes:
- >From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
- >Subject: Re: FREE WILL 3: Observability (was Re: FREE WILL 2)
- >Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:27:33 GMT
- >In article <spurrett.49.722073557@superbowl.und.ac.za> spurrett@superbowl.und.ac.za (David Spurrett) writes:
- >
- >> Looking directly at the issue of `what difference' it would make for
- >>an act to be caused by an agent, and to be random, the most obvious
- >>point is that the two would not be the same in the consciousness of
- >>the agent.
- >
- >You might indeed be aware whether an event is random rather than a result
- >of free will. But it may not be possible to be aware of whether an
- >event has some external cause rather than being a result of free will.
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- Why? I can tell the difference between a chosen act and a reflex one, for
- example, with reasonable skill. (You do not make clear what you mean by an `
- external' cause, so a reflex may be a poor example. As an alternative, I
- can tell the difference between a _trained_ reaction (I fence
- competetively) and a reasoned one.)
-
-
- >> (Just as deliberately kicking my dog is different from
- >>kicking it when somebody taps my knee with a little rubber hammer.)
- >>If I _am_ the cause then I would probably know it. Unconscious mo-
- >
- >But in the question of an external cause, rather than free will, you
- >must consider that the external cause which resulted in your kicking
- >the dog would also have resulted in your believing that it was deliberate
- >act for which you were personally responsible.
- ------------->
- Why would it have done that? What is the relationship between external
- causes and beliefs?
-
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