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- From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
- Subject: Re: Rap (Yes, you're still in soc.motss) (Re: Marky Mark
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.204347.19624@spdcc.com>
- Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
- References: <manz.721820292@ee.ualberta.ca> <1992Nov17.004035.914@wam.umd.edu> <1992Nov19.154321.14333@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:43:47 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.154321.14333@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman) writes:
- >>->... It's a Black thing and most Gay White men can't relate to
- >>->it and don't understand it.
- >>what an ignorant thing to say.>
- >
- >Actually, no, it wasn't. Rap is very much a "black thing." It
- >is rooted in very old patterns of African and African-American
- >communicative styles, and is tied intimately with the realities
- >of Black existence. Rap is linked to the communicative phenomenon
- >of "signifying," something that those individuals raised outside
- >of Black culture cannot easily understand.
-
- Thanks.
-
- >Donald wasn't being racist when he said that white, gay men
- >couldn't understand; but he was, I think, overstating his case
- >a bit. I think "camping" in gay culture (or "cultchah," if you
- >prefer) provides an analogy to signifying. It will take some
- >work, but I think white people _can_ (eventually) come to
- >some sort of understanding.
-
- This is a wonderfully concise and illuminating example.
-
- Rap has always seemed influenced (to my white ears) by the whole
- oral tradition of the beat poets of the 50's. At least they share
- the same oracular style. Am I totally off-base here? Is this
- an example of heritage or simply convergent evolution?
-
-
- --
- Steve Dyer
- dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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