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- From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
- Subject: Re: Ugly
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.160459.10467@spdcc.com>
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- References: <BOB.92Nov17033019@dolores.Stanford.EDU> <BxxAxu.3D0@queernet.org> <69872@cup.portal.com>
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:04:59 GMT
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- Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
- >Max Rochlin writes:
- >>Face it, George, bears are uninteresting to mainstream gay media.
- >>Only one mag and two or three 'zines focus on bears. What little
- >>market there is for such publications doesn't generate enough profits
- >>to be interesting to mainstream gay press.
-
- >This simply isn't true. _HONCHO_ has done a couple of "bear"
- >oriented issues [Oct. 1990 and Jul. 1992], and even in Twinkie
- >Central West Hollywood, those issues sold out noticeably faster
- >than average -- this from one of the managers of Circus of Books I
- >happened to chat with one day.
-
- I can't speak for the 7/92 issue but the 10/90 issue
- was more "faux-bear" than bear... The models had all the parts
- but just didn't "have it"...
-
- A few months earlier, Mandate had a really cute bear
- who also was in another mag (that someone STOLE from my house!)
- who was about the best bear since the "Fur Trapper" spread in 1984
- (GDM - don't forget they had this guy AGAIN in 1985 in a really
- awful spread that had his CLOTHES on most of the time to hide
- his fur....).
-
- The mainstream mags have pretty much dropped anything
- that resembles "classic" bears/clones since the mid-80's. I've
- realized for a long time that if I pick up a mag (Honcho,Numbers,
- Blueboy,etc.) from pre-1985 I'm very likely to see someone I find
- physically hot. Conversely, after 1985 it's a completely different
- story.
-
- Now one CAN argue that the gay-porn industry took off
- around then and instead of making N mags with a balanced clientele,
- they all went in homogeneous directions. So, the longer-lived
- mags (the three mentioned above) went mostly for the clean-shaven
- moussed look (shiny hair), but other mags came around to address
- the "needs" of other people. While there was a period of time
- from 1985-1990 or so that it was very hard for me to find anything
- I really liked in porn, after that it hasn't been so hard...
-
- I subscribe to _Daddy_ and buy Bulk Male regularly.
- I usedf to get Bear but they got away from what I would call the
- "Classic" bear and more into the biker-bear look pretty much
- exclusively. That's OK because the other two more than make
- up for the difference... And I don't even get things like
- "Husky", "the Big Ad", "Bear Fax", "Chasse D'Ours", etc.
- And biker-bear/leather-bear/fringe-bear lovers need their space
- too --- my only regret is that Bear tends to be seen as one of the
- centers of the bear culture and I don't think it really represents it.
- Right now I don't think there is a nexus, and of course the concept
- of a nexus might be ridiculous (is there a nexus for the GBLO*-community
- as a whole? No.)
-
- If you were to count the # of bear models in all of the
- mags out, I think you'd find there are more models than ever.
- If you were to look at the %age of bears et alia in the gay porn
- industry it might be the same or less (or more?) --- who knows.
- In terms of porn, I certainly get all I need... :-)
-
- Now, in the gay mainstream things are a different
- story (i.e. non-porn images). I think there is where we
- need to claim space and demand more visibility.
-
- >One just wonders why they don't
- >"get the clue" from that kind of result. Or, there's the matter
- >of the infamous "Fur Trapper" layout _Honcho_ ran a number of
- >years ago; they admitted on the letters page they were *buried*
- >in mail asking to see more of him [this being in 1984, before
- >_BEAR MAGAZINE_ came along].
-
- >So it's obvious that there IS a sizable market for this kind of
- >thing, aside from the simple proof of _BEAR_'s circulation
- >figures. I don't expect any of the "mainstream" gay skin rags
- >to go "all Bear", but one would expect to see a noticeably
- >greater frequency of fur.
-
- Careful - I have it that Bear's scripts have *dropped* in
- the last year...
-
- I think the frequency is OK - it's just all concentrated in
- a few places. That doesn't make the bears there taste any less "sweet".
- When I start seeing GBLO*-bears on the cover of the Advocate in any
- regular frequency or in other mainstream GBLO*-things I'll be more
- happy...
-
- BBC
-