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- From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
- Subject: ARchtypes and visibility
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.171650.18589@spdcc.com>
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:16:50 GMT
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- stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
- >Yep. George is right on this one (right on on this one?). I didn't think his
- >"hystronics" were sexist and/or racist. There is a "look" that's popular
- >right now, and Mr.Marky Mark fits it. What it is about body hair and beards
- >that makes some folks gag?
-
- Furballs? I mean I've coughed up a few in my time... :-)
-
- Re: "that look" has it ever been 'unpopular'? For all
- intents and purposes "right now" could be from Classical Greece
- to the present. (though there are some nice exmaples of homoursoerotica
- in painted pottery of that time as well...)
-
- Without sounding whiny, esp. since everyone's heard the litany
- before, it would be just nice to be represented witohut coming across
- as some kind of fetish.
-
- It'snot that I have anything against smooth/muscle guys like
- Marky or those who have walked the path before him... it's the
- unspoken assumption that the one archetype speaks for all.
- Fudge ripple is a great flavor of ice cream, but sometimes the tutti frutti
- tastes good too.
-
- And to get off the bears thing - we can easily phrase it
- in other ways! Look at the struggle ethnic minorites have had
- getting into modeling, or in this context gay porn/objectification.
- Unless someone is trying to get "racially balanced" forget it.
- Given the percentage of Asian and Hispanic people in the US,
- the percentage of objectifiable models is woefully disproportionate.
-
- A lot of the often-neglected groups of the GBLO*-population
- are only now, 20-25 years after Stonewall starting to claim their place.
- While there is a lot of internal support for these people (e.g.
- ethnic minorites, womyn, GBLO*-folx under 21, handicapped GBLO*-folx,
- older GBLO*-people, people in interracial relaitonships, people in
- intergenerational relationships, bears, faeries, etc.) a lot of
- recognition comes in the form of visible iconery. And until that
- starts to happen in a more accpeting mode instead of the "oh,
- let's show how diverse we are by adding one of them in there too",
- sort of thing there's going to be friction,
- not out of hatred, but mostly frustration.
-
- >(xcuse typeos.....just back from ER with broken ankle and lots 'o painkillers).
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- Hope you're feeling better.
- BBC
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