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- From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
- Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
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- References: <1992Nov16.154610.652@wam.umd.edu>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:57:45 GMT
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- : Just because some people do not think that being Gay is the same
- : thing as being black?
- : I know some people who think that being Gay is a psychological disorder, in
- : some cases. They do not believe that Gay should be given minority status.
- : ...
- : For some people it would not be the same. For some people being Gay is not
- : an inborn thing but a disorder.
-
- Some people think that black people are another species. There is no proof
- that being gay is any more a choice than being black. And if your argument
- hinges on this, why not have the amendment say "no special protection for
- people with psychological disorders"? That way when proof comes in one way or
- the other, we'd know how to apply it. The amendment, as it stands, doesn't
- single out homosexuals because they suffer a psychological disorder; it singles
- them out because they're homosexual.
-
- BTW, in your example, one could probably legally fire the employee because he
- was clearly hurting business, even if we substitute "black" for "gay".
-
- As for the issue of choice, let's look at, say, marital status, which is
- certainly a choice (prearranged nuptials and shotgun weddings excepted).
- Substitute "single person" in your example. The law clearly disallows you
- from firing them solely because they are single. Why should this form of
- discrimination be prohibited, while discrimination against homosexuals is
- constitutionally protected?
-
- : >In the general case, I don't think you can reasonably claim that hiring a
- : >homosexual has any adverse effects for you, other than "violating your
- : >priniciples", which has been proven in court to be worth squat ("but judge, my
- : >principles don't let me associate with black people...")
- :
- : Not really. I used to work as a technician fixing very expensive medical
- : equipment. One important point was that your image should be well accepted
- : by the client because sales were based, in a lot of cases, on references from
- : previous clients.
- : If some of our clients would have had a problem with Gays, the company
- : would certainly have not send a Gay person to do the job at that particular
- : place.
-
- Right, as I alluded to above in mentioning you might be able to fire the black
- guy for hurting business. But you'd have to prove that was the issue. You're
- not firing because he is black/gay, you're firing because he hurts business.
-
- BTW, this is also very unlikely, and in fact the converse is more likely. For
- instance, HP recently adopted a policy of non-discrimination against
- homosexuals, mainly because certain of our bigger customers would not do
- business with anyone who condoned discrimination.
-
- --
- Amendment 2 - Shame On You, Colorado
- --
- Marc Sabatella
- marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
- --
- a disgusted resident of the first state in history of the union
- to enact a constitutional amendment that explicitly legalizes discrimination
- against a particular minority
- --
- All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
- and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.
-