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- From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
- Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.194732.10384@gordian.com>
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- Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
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- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:47:32 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.160946.17622@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
- > Huh? Too many pronouns!
-
- Well, it all made sense when I wrote it :-)
-
- > The beef I have is mostly with the 2nd to last clause,
- > "just don't do that shit around me"... which can imply open sexual
- > acts (which is absurd) and carries with it some kind of
- > "all gays just have sex with anything at the drop of a hat" or
- > "All fags want to fuck me" (free clue, hon we don't...) or implies
- > just openly homosexual social behavior which translates to the
- > "I support gays if they would just keep it to themselves and not
- > flaunt it" canard. It would have been easier had he been more explicit
- > as to what "that shit" meant, I doubt it was positive.
-
- I don't disagree with the sentiment you are finding in the words,
- but there is probably more to it than that; don't you think? The
- entire paragraph was rather crass and as such is undoubtably tied
- to a "street talk" kind of mentality (anything which begins with "Yo!"
- is what clues me in). Certainly this is a rather machoeque kind of
- speech, but does it actually tell you much about the true attitude
- about the person? I'm not as convinced.
-
- > Poor Mikey probably didn't have time for English classes...
-
- Well, neither did Marky, which is why this is not at all clear.
-
-
- > So which is it? Neither is very appealing nor supportive.
-
- I agree with this. The first time I read it I had your *exact*
- same reaction. In fact, I mis-read the attribution originally, and
- was about to send off a nasty followup until I finally noticed
- where the attribution was coming from. After thinking a bit about
- what little I know about street culture (which ain't much), I
- decided that it is possible that it has more to do with *image*,
- (whether it is real in his case or feigned, I haven't a clue)
- rather than actual lack of support. Given the other positive
- *actions* people have been attributing to him, I figured
- he was worth the benefit of the doubt. Nothing more.
-
- > Finding someone *isn't* outwardly homophobic doesn't mean they are
- > "OK".
-
- Well, I don't think that I said that.
-
- > Is he from Boston? (That's what I'm inferring...)
- > Well, you know how uptight those Bostonians are..... (or just
- > "tight"), right Mike? :-)
-
- Well, far be it for me to keep up with these teeny-bopper thangs,
- but I seem to recall hearing that NKOTB are from Boston -- and by
- extention Marky Mark too. Oh yes, I've had a few tight Bostonians;
- it just that damn accent they need to lose. :-)
- --
-
- Michael Thomas (mike@gordian.com)
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