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- From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Bear Crap
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.163852.19134@spdcc.com>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 16:38:52 GMT
- Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov16.163852.19134
- References: <1992Nov16.014831.25069@reed.edu> <1992Nov16.041138.8829@tc.cornell.edu> <michaelh.721908229@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>
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- michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:
- >shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
-
- >>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
- >>> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes: [...]
-
- >>>Could someone provide me with a recent example of this, like say a
- >>>direct quote or a reference to an article I'm likely to remember?
-
- I sent Nelson some examples.
-
- >>I can't think of anybody complaining about bear crap, but
- >>there have certainly been cries of "Oh no, all that Furr
- >>crap again!" Not the same thing at all, although it may
- >>appear that way to George.
-
- I can - but because I'm one of the more vocal ones, I
- suppse that invalidates it auto-magically. I can think of
- two examples specifically that involve me: whenever
- ANYone posts the NBCS to the net, I get hate mail from people
- (and I mean pretty nasty stuff). When I was working on
- the motss survey II, I had the gall to include NBCS as
- a thing to fill in - this started a flame war on why this was
- inappropriate for a "motss" thing since it made speicific refererence
- to "the bears".
-
-
- (BTW, this is why I halted work on the new database. I
- have no desire to do something that is going to end up being a
- vehicle for choosing sides... I might re-do it in 1993 post-thesis,
- but I'm tired of getting hate mail because someone isn't interested
- in the same things I am... the individual who raised the initial
- complaint can blame himself for spoiling it for anyone else who was
- interested in the final product...)
- It does happen... not very vocally, I suppose because most
- of the bears traffic has already been ghettoized to the BML. When I first
- started posting here there was a LOT more "Bear oriented" traffic on
- this group, even after the creation of the BML. In fact had someone
- made the comment "'there's an awfully large bears presence here"
- I would have agreed. But over time that has changed, and whlie some
- people tend to overstate that point, it would be an error to say that
- said presence has not decreased dramatically in the last 50+ months.
-
- That doesn't bother me as much as one would think because
- 1) the BML *is* there, and 2) I look to motss for other things
- than just "seeing bears on the net".
-
- Soc.motss is still the most heterogeneous GBLO*_group I have
- ever seen, but it's becoming more homogeneous over time. I don't
- think it's in any danger of losing it, andI'm certinaly
- not predicting the "death of the net" or "death of the group",
- but before Mike et alia start patting themselves on the back for
- "showing that this is the work of a few deranged people", there
- is sufficient evidence to show that yes, indeed soc.motss has had
- its share of "anti-bear" postings/threads.
-
-
- Now is it a BIG THING? No, there are inclusivity issues
- that greatly exceed the need to be more bear-sensitive. Certainly
- seeing more womyn is one, minorities another. When was the last time
- we heard anything aboutthe radical faeries here? Girth and Mirth?
- Womyn's music fstivals? I'm especially concerned about the presence
- of motss.womyn because the intial data from the aborted sample
- above indicated that the %age of womyn DECREASED over the last 2.5 years
- almost by 50%! To me that's alarming...
-
- >thanks, melinda. you have crystalized my thoughts exactly.
-
- Are you sure you want to use that word? I'm tempted to
- agree but not gfor the same reasons you want.
-
- (the word in question could be "crystalized" or"thoughts".
- Take your pick.....)
-
- BBC
- aka Galileo-bear
-