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  3. From: freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier)
  4. Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
  5. Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
  6. Message-ID: <1992Nov16.182228.22724@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
  7. Date: 16 Nov 92 18:22:28 GMT
  8. References: <1992Nov12.191913.8438@ncar.ucar.edu> <GANDALF.92Nov13100556@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu> <1992Nov13.211949.8809@ncar.ucar.edu> <1992Nov16.172518.24370@colorado.edu>
  9. Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu
  10. Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
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  13. In article <1992Nov16.172518.24370@colorado.edu>, juola@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Patrick Juola) writes:
  14. |> > To some people (me for
  15. |> >one) a right is that which is yours by your nature as a human being.  It is
  16. |> >not subject to negotiation, and can only be *recognized*, not *defined* by
  17. |> >what the law says.
  18. |> 
  19. |> Ah, yes, yet another lunatic Randroid.  What they, and you, seem never to
  20. |> realized is that an abstract right which is "yours by nature" but unrecognized
  21. |> by society/government/the legal system/&c is essentially useless.  Even the
  22. |> heralded "right to think" (of which Randroids are so fond) doesn't exist if
  23. |> there are packs of armed thugs wandering around dosing people forcibly with
  24. |> mind-altering drugs.  I submit that there is no "right" you can name which
  25. |> cannot be repeatedly violated by gangs of thugs with enough resources behind
  26. |> them.
  27. |> 
  28. |>     - kitten
  29.  
  30. So what are you saying?  That rights do not exist because they can be violated?
  31. That we should not be concerned when rights are violated?  That anything you can
  32. DO to a human and get a way with is acceptable? 
  33.    Yes, unrecognized rights are (for practical purposes) not rights.  That doesn't
  34. mean they shouldn't be recognized.  
  35.