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- From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
- Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor
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- Organization: Carleton University
- References: <1992Nov15.164537.7160@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Nov15.133710.15@uoft02.utoledo.edu> <visser.721857914@convex.convex.com>
- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:53:48 GMT
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- In <visser.721857914@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
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- >In <1992Nov15.133710.15@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
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- >+>> Yes, but England wouldn't have withstood as long as it did if the
- >+>> US hadn't taken sides long before Pearl Harbor. Japan wouldn't
- >+>> have even bombed Pearl Harbor if it wasn't for the United States
- >+>> refusing to sell oil to it -- but that's "meddling" in the
- >+>> Libertarian view of the world.
-
- > A question about Japanese behavior that has always bothered
- >me is why after the embargo went on Japan didn't just walk into
- >Indonesia in retaliation and dare the americans (or the british) to do
- >anything about it. Its true that the supply lines from Japan to Indonesia
- >would have been endangered by american and british forces in the region
- >potentially, but its hard to see anyone declaring war on Japan because
- >of it.
- > It would have been difficult to "sell" a war over a Dutch colonial
- >possession in the united states.
- > Once in Indonesia, Japan would have had all the oil it would have
- >ever needed.
-
- > The biggest irony of the war in regard to oil is probably that
- >the Italians and Germans, while being desperatly short of it, were in
- >control of huge (but then undiscovered) quantities of it in Libya.
-
- The reasoning behind Pearl Harbour went something like this:
- the Japanese Navy, and especially Admiral Yamamoto, realized that the
- vastly superior U.S. economic base would in the long run defeat Japan.
- Thus the only hope was to score a decisive early triumph and cripple
- U.S. power significantly enough in the Pacific to allow Japan to
- expand.
- The historical precedent of Port Arthur at the outbreak of
- the outbreakof the Russo-Japanese War in 1904 also played a role no
- doubt. To be fair the Japanese did achieve toal control of Western
- Pacific as a result of Pearl Harbour; it was errors, bad luck, and
- U.S. code-breaking leading up to the Battle of Midway that doomed
- Japan. Had the U.S. carriers been in Pearl Harbour on Dec. 7 (and been
- sunk or seriously damaged) and had the Japanese launched a second
- strike to destroy the fuel drums at the harbour, the Americans would
- have been forced to abandon Hawaii as a fleet base and move to San
- Francisco.
- Japan would have still lost the war in the long run in all
- probability, but once the Japanese determined to challenge U.S. power
- in the Pacific, the Pearl Harbour strategy was the only hope, and
- could have been even more successful with greater luck and better
- leadership on the part of Nagumo, the task force commander.
-
- Vladimir
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