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- Subject: Re: Shuttle replacement
- Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:23 CST
- Organization: University of Houston
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- In article <1992Nov19.144842.23088@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes...
- >In article <BxxDL7.9Ly@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
- >
- >>>The US shouldn't be putting it's money into the design of ANY expendable
- >>>launcher. We have done that for too long and it's hasn't reduced launch
- >>>costs by a dime.
- >
- >>Actually, this isn't a very sound argument.... [Henry goes on to say
- >>that it hasn't been tried and examples from China and Russia show it
- >>CAN be a lot cheaper]
- >
- >Allow me to rephrase: NASA has shown that it cannot execute large multi-year
- >multi-billion $$ projects in a cost effective manner. Some blame for this
- >goes to Congress, and some to NASA. Asking them to do it again will simply
- >waste more money and delay the creation of a spacefaring civilization.
- >
-
- No Allan, what has been shown is that when you micromanage a program and or
- cut the budget below the request and or stretch the program to "save money"
- Nasa nor anyone else for that matter can complete a job in a cost effective
- manner. There are many NASA programs that have been completed on time and
- under budget WHEN that whole budget has been provided AND no recissions or
- redesigns or other crap has been foisted on the program.
-
- >I don't doubt that much cheaper expendables CAN be build (Zenith Star
- >launchers for example cut costs in half). I simply don't believe that the US
- >government can build them.
- >
-
- The baby saturn can do the same thing. Funny thing is that the NLS 1 design
- ended up in the single engine configuration that we propose for the Baby
- Saturn. Oh by the way I have confirmed the existence of at least 8 well
- preserved Saturn F1 engines at the Marshall Space Flight center. They are
- doing some work on them. However it looks like the cost of refurbing the
- F1 test stand is a bit high to implement right now.
-
- By the way Henry, I found out some interesting stuff there are three versions
- of the Saturn V first Stage. These are as follows
-
- S1C-T Test Stage for Manufacturing and Ground firings
- This is the one at the Alabama Space & Rocket Center
-
- S1C-D Dynamic Test model. Was later scrapped at the end of
- the program.
-
- S1C-1,2,3.... Flight Saturn S1 C stages.
-
-