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- From: ames!FNALD.FNAL.GOV!DROEGE
- Subject: Comments on Natoya and McKubre
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- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
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- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:22:29 GMT
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- Here is a prediction on the Natoya experiment. When the open experiment is
- carefully done, with good instrumentation, proper wire size, and the 1.48*I
- correction for the Nickel cell; excess heat will be seen. When done in closed
- form, for a very long time, with the energy balance measured from the start of
- the experiment, and with equally good instrumentation; the experiment will be
- null.
-
- Thomas Kunich asks if anyone has tried to duplicate R.T. Bush. Similar
- experiments were reported by me here January - March of this year. I did not
- do all the versions of the Bush experiment, but I did do the Mills experiment
- on which the Bush work is based. This is also similar to the Natoya
- experiment. My results were that there are problems in assuming that the
- 1.48*I correction is valid. The problem that I have with the Bush work is
- that Bush fills up journals with long papers that are very short on
- experimental detail. (This is about my limit for a "flame".) I contrast the
- Bush work with the McKubre work, where I find many little details of
- experimental technique which demonstrate to me that his work is first class.
-
- Again I would like to complement Jones and Buehler for excellent work in
- pointing out problems with the Natoya demonstration. While they did not get
- everything right the first time, as they digested the information that they
- had, they put up corrections until everything possible was presented. I
- prefer this to waiting a long time until they were absolutely sure (which is
- never) before reporting. The danger in not reporting a suspicion is that some
- of us (like me with Mills and Ying) may rush off and expend resources trying
- to duplicate a bad experiment.
-
- I had a very interesting meeting with Mike McKubre in Washington D.C. Tuesday
- Nov. 17. There were only a few of us present so that I got to question him
- extensively. My opinion remains that he is doing very good work, and that his
- measurement technique is first class. I learned only a few new things that
- are not in the Como proceedings paper which I recommend to you all.
-
- After thinking about the meeting for some time I conclude that while McKubre
- freely answered every question, he did not answer questions that were not
- asked. It is thus likely that he has un-revealed interesting results. I
- believe that the last sequence of experiments he described were scale up
- experiments. This means that he either thinks that he knows what he is doing,
- or that he feels he needs to demonstrate high power to keep his funding. Not
- a pleasant thought. The one funded researcher in the US may feel pressure to
- produce positive results to keep his job. We learned that at SRI you keep
- your job only as long as you bring in research projects. It did not sound
- like there was other funded work waiting. I rush to say that in my opinion
- McKubre is an ethical, dedicated worker. I do not like the pressure that
- exists at SRI.
-
- McKubre ends the Como paper as follows:
-
- "As a final note, we are unable to account for the observed excess temperature
- by any artifact known to us and are forced to conclude, tentatively, that the
- source of the excess power is a property of the D/Pd system. Further, we
- cannot account for the measured excess heat by any chemical or mechanical
- process with which we are familiar."
-
- The one knowledgeable skeptic present was not convinced and proposed a
- chemical explanation. (My definition - there were several skeptics present,
- but one had worked hard to do the experiment in 1989.) He did not fault
- McKubre's technique.
-
- Tom Droege
-
-