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- From: terry@asl.dl.nec.com
- Subject: Re: Terry's Two Bits
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.182302.10080@asl.dl.nec.com>
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- References: <1992Nov17.053954.3582@asl.dl.nec.com> <1992Nov17.112802.9057@michael.apple.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:23:02 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov17.112802.9057@michael.apple.com>
- ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
-
- > Mr. Rothwell seems to me to have been rather well spoken in describing
- > the attacks and rude manners displayed here.
-
- Mr. Rothwell is very well spoken. Rudeness? Try a grep function for ad
- hominem words in both Mr. Rothwell's, and my own archives of postings into
- this group. And don't forget to try the same for Dr. Jones and Dr. Morrison,
- two of the people whom he described as rude. See who wins, especially
- on postings since the Nagoya conference. (I figure I'll come in second.)
-
- > I have no idea if the wire was fraud or folly...
-
- Nothing I've seen described about Dr. Notoya's experiment indicates any fraud.
-
- Quite the contrary -- I think Dr. Notoya had and has nothing but the best
- intentions, and I am very much in agreement with the suggestion earlier
- today that her experiment would benefit greatly from the expertise of some-
- one like Tom Droege who is has some solid experience in making high quality
- heat measurements, and who is sincerely committed searching for real heat
- production effects. If Dr. Notoya's results are reproducible, Tom Droege
- could add a lot more experimental clout to her results than Mr. Rothwell's
- words-only defenses will ever accomplish.
-
- By the way, I truly do not think the kind of "ignore any problems, she's
- right, she's right!" approach that Mr. Rothwell has taken in defending
- Dr. Notoya is going to be of much benefit to her either experimently or
- careerwise. Perhaps Dr. Notoya or some of her co-workers could speak for
- themselves on this group? Can anyone out there other than Mr. Rothwell
- provide direct comments from her or her co-workers?
-
- I personally found some of what she has been doing very interesting, and
- would like to see futher discussion -- but hopefully with fewer comments
- about people and more comments about data.
-
- > but Occams Razor says it was a simple mistake...
-
- I concur.
-
- > No, 'We' don't. I don't want to hear a thing about LaRouche. Period.
- > I want to hear about experiments done that show the state of research
- > into cold fusion and don't give a tinkers damn about LaRouche.
-
- Alas, when figures like $8 billion dollars and the reputations of large
- companies are involved, I'm afraid that certain aspects of this little
- affair have gone outside of "simple" science. It is for precisely this
- reason that I'm adamant that Mr. Rothwell *should* define his associations
- or lack thereof with any special interest groups, especially ones like the
- LaRouche organization that are noted for often obscure (but adamantly held)
- political agendas.
-
- Barring his comments, my default assumption is (and has been) that he
- is *not* associated with the LaRouche organization. But if he is, I
- think he should be frank and open about it, because it *is* an important
- data point for any person or organization who has sunk money into this.
-
- This is one reason why I very much prefer the low-profile approach taken
- by folks like Tom Droege. I don't give lickety-split what political
- views he has, because he has been so scrupulously careful to focus only
- on actual results, and because he has been so consistent in bringing up
- and openly discussing experimental problems.
-
- > Can we ... get back to some science now?
-
- Several folks have been trying hard to do that. Look at the comments of
- Tom Droege and Dr. Steve Jones, both of whom are noted *advocates* of
- their being something interesting going on in palladium hydrides (although
- not necessarily heat). READ their comments. Look at the conservative tone
- they have used, and their emphasis on facts, measurements, and the need to
- eliminate uncertainties.
-
- I'm a bad example, alas. Silly me, after about the fifth or sixth posting
- ripping in to someone I know or respect, I get ticked off. Sigh.
-
- Cheers,
- Terry Bollinger
- (Speaking only for myself)
-
-