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- From: "J.D. Baldwin" <baldwin@csservera.usna.navy.mil>
- Subject: Re: Random Navy Cap Protocol Question
- Message-ID: <Bxyv0E.FrL@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>
- Sender: military@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Sci.Military Login)
- Organization: NCR Corporation -- Law Department
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:02:38 GMT
- Approved: military@law7.daytonoh.ncr.com
- Lines: 69
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- From "J.D. Baldwin" <baldwin@csservera.usna.navy.mil>
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- References: <BxM62n.59M@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> <Bxq1G0.A0@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>
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- In article <Bxq1G0.A0@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> dpe@inel.gov (Don
- Palmrose) writes (quoting billmcc@seanews.akita.com [Bill McCormick]):
- >> I have quite a few Navy ship caps, some with scrambled eggs and others
- >> plain.
- >>
- >> Is it considered rude to wear one if you're not a member of the ship's
- >> crew or even in the Navy?
- >
- >It is not rude to wear them out in the general public. However, you
- >may get a question or two by some old salt who onced served on the
- >ship whose ball cap you are wearing.
- >
- >Most US Naval officers frown on civilians wearing the ones with the
- >scrambled eggs . . .
-
- Not in the case of the sample of one you have before you (me). "Most"
- of this sample hasn't given the matter much thought until just now.
-
- >. . . since that represents the rank typically of the Captain and the
- >Executive Officer of the ship.
-
- Not as such. The distinction for scrambled eggs is based solely on
- rank and is based on the following:
-
- "junior" officers Ensign
- no "scrambled Lieutenant (junior grade)
- eggs" on cap Lieutenant
- Lieutenant Commander
-
- "senior" officers Commander
- one row of "scrambled Captain
- eggs" on cap
-
- "flag" officers Rear Admiral (lower half)
- two rows of Rear Admiral (upper half)
- "scrambled eggs" Vice Admiral
- on cap Admiral
-
- [I can't type those ranks without expressing my disgust over the
- bureaucratic-sounding "lower half" and "upper half" distinctions
- between the O-7 and O-8 paygrades. "Commodore" and "Rear Admiral"
- were good enough for Dewey and Farragut, by God, and they're good
- enough for today's Navy.]
-
- The rows of "eggs" are found not only on the ball caps, but on the
- bill of the regular "combination" cap as well.
-
- >So I would not wear the scrambled eggs ones onto a military base at
- >any time.
-
- Good advice, I suppose. A trip to a navy base would increase the
- likelihood that you're going to run into someone who could be offended
- that you are wearing scrambled eggs. It's likely, in any case, that
- you'd just get the automatic "bonehead civilian" exemption from
- military etiquette requirements.
-
- (And by the way, those "eggs" are clusters of gold oak leaves.)
- --
- From the catapult of: |+| "If anyone disagrees with anything I
- _,_ J. D. Baldwin, Comp Sci Dept|+| say, I am quite prepared not only to
- _|70|___:::)=}- U.S. Naval Academy|+| retract it, but also to deny under
- \ / baldwin@usna.navy.mil |+| oath that I ever said it." --T. Lehrer
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