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- From: Paul Podvig <ppl@athena.mit.edu>
- Subject: Re: Discussion Of Shallow Water ASW
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- Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:39:27 GMT
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- From Paul Podvig <ppl@athena.mit.edu>
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- In article <BxKAzI.FH0@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> "Sean J. Roc D'Arcy" <bphdarcy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu> writes:
- >
- >First, it is my understanding that shallow water does not allways
- >deteriorate sonar perfomance. A lot of this depends on the sea floor and
- >the local conditions of the water. I have seen a few submarine books t
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- It depends also on local wind conditions, for it is the main source of noise.
-
- >(along with a few "attemped" computer simulations) make shallow water sonar
- >performance to be nill. While the ability to use long array devices and
- >some convergence zones may be lost, I still wouldn't say that sonar
- >performance is "severely degraded."
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- The performance is not nill of course, but detection range becomes something
- like 100 meters. When Russian and U.S. subs collide in Barentz Sea in
- February(?) they didn't hear each other until the collision.
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- My understanding is that there are no convergence zones in shallow water.
- Long towed array is useful when you can deploy it. Given that length of
- the thing is up to 2 miles, I doubt if you can operate it in shallow water
- (though surface ships probably could deploy it with little difficulty).
-
- >Some forms of active sonar do very well in shallow water (medium freq. hull
- >mount I think). Again a lot would depend on the geography. It is probably
- >a lot easier to find a submarine in the perisan gulf than off the coast of
- >Norway.
-
- Agree. Though you are still going to have a lot of problems with reflections
- from the bottom and the surface. And again, if you are on submarine, you
- wouldn't like to use your active sonar--you will be detected first.
-
-
- > [some stuff deleted]
-
- I am not saying that it is impossible to find diesel boat in shallow water.
- What I am saying it is more difficult than to find a nuclear one and that
- <nuclear> attack submarine is of little, if any, help.
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- Paul Podvig
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