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- From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
- Subject: Re: Double Black Diamonds at Mammoth
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- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:26:08 GMT
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- In article <1eh6cqINN80q@mizar.usc.edu>, lapworth@mizar.usc.edu (Bill
- Lapworth) writes:
- |> Dave, how could you! IMHO a double black diamond should be reserved for
- |> runs where you stand a good chance of serious injury if a fall occurs, and
- |> that such rock strewn elevator shafts are the domain of hard core experts
- |> only.
- |>
- |> Well, I was at Mammoth on 11/6, and saw a brochure they had mailed to
- |> prior year season ticket holders. The mountain map was covered with
- |> double black diamonds (no, I don't remember which runs, all I remember
- |> is thinking that 95% of the designations were bs.)
- |>
- |> Are other areas bowing to the marketing pressure to have double D's?
- |>
- |> Anyway, I've never seen so few people on the mountain. I guessed about 300
- |> people, my friend who works there said it was more like 200 - with 1,2,3,5
- |> and upper gondola open!
-
- I think we had this discussion last spring... But that's ok, I suspect people
- will be grumping at each aother about this as long as resorts label trails with
- any kind of difficulties. I think the bottom line was "your milage may vary."
- Certainly, I've seen some inflation of what a "diamond" is, and clearly
- some people
- don't read the disclaimer you find on most trail maps about ratings only
- being in
- terms of the area, not other areas. (Actually, that should probably be clearly
- *most* people :-( )
-
- I don't know that a run needs to be "fall == death" terrain to justify a double
- diamond, but I agree that it ought to be more than "this is a tough
- trail which we
- want to market as super expert terrain" which is what a lot of areas
- seem to mean
- by double diamond.
-
- It's funny, I don't know exactly where I fall on the spectrum of "advanced"
- skiers, but I rarely have trouble divining what I'll find on a trail. I do
- sometimes chat with locals, patrollers, or folks comming of a certain trail
- to make sure I'm not headed towards a really killer slot. I've skied some
- genuine double diamonds, and I still won't try a couple of the spots in Jackson
- Hole, at least not with the snow cover I saw them with.
-
- I suspect, in the end, the problem is nothing will keep resorts from
- abusing the
- labeling system, and, also, in the end, nothing will keep fools from getting in
- over their heads.
-
-
- David W. Levine -- dwl@watson.ibm.com -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
- -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. --
- "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
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