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- From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
- Subject: Re: National Asian Brotherhood of Skiiers?
- References: <1992Nov16.204556.29374@news.cs.brandeis.edu> <1992Nov18.023520.6376@nas.nasa.gov> <1992Nov18.195849.8938@clarinet.com>
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- Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:28:12 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.232812.22800@nas.nasa.gov>
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- In article <1992Nov18.195849.8938@clarinet.com>
- grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
- I wrote:
- >>1) Greater stress by our cultures toward education and work and less on
- >>"play."
- >
- >There's the problem. Not enough people see skiing as an important part of
- >one's overall education!
-
- People will increasingly see skiing as a luxury item (usually) for what it is:
- Leisure. Few people will be as lucky as my friends and partners: Barclay,
- Hermann and Keith (who just emailed me an ASCII penguin from Antarctica).
- You can find occasional letters to the editor of certain news magazines
- decrying snow plowing for skiers.
-
- >Seriously though, I find the "greater stress" part worrysome, I thought
- >things were bad enough here.
- >there is still an overriding Puritan work ethic: work and school are "good,"
- >and except in extremely small and controlled (not to mention socially
- >condoned) doses, fun and/or unemployment are bad.
-
- That ethic was one of the factors which made the country strong.
- What's the Purtian piece of music: Ode to the Common Man?
- In surveys about things like leisure time, it is always pointed out
- that American has less leisure time than all European nations.
- Those surveys of course leave off Japan, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, China,
- India, etc. Note that the latter nations are under extreme population
- pressure as island nations, as old cultures, attempting to hang on
- by their teeth. Even the French (Edith Crosiant[sp]) noted the Japanese
- propensity to "work like ants."
- Other key words and phrases: ambition, progress, economic competitiveness.
-
- >It seems any time I mention the idea of quitting my job and ski bumming it
- >for a year or two, I immediately become an outcast. In fact, I have yet
- >to meet one person who says "Cool idea."
-
- Well, part of that is the Santa Clara Valley ethic (The first time I
- every heard that was not local, it was used to describe working for
- NCAR [1976]):
- We don't want to hire the guy who is interesting in putting in
- 40 hours a week. We need the guy who will go 50-60 hours.
- (back when I was trying to find an out-of-core linear systems solver).
-
- >If I understand Eugene correctly, then I empathize with Asians for whom
- >such an idea would not merely be socially undesireable, it would be akin to
- >heresy!
-
- You got it!
-
-
- David Neal wrote:
- >Perhaps he meant those good old hollywood stereotypes don't portray
- >black people as skiiers.
-
- Kelly gave a good answer (perhaps we need a soc.culture.african.american
- X-post). I, for one, plan to see Spike Lee's "Malcolm X."
-
- >When I mentioned I hoped to get in some early season skiing this year,
- >my Vietnamese office mate said "That's awfully white of you, Dave."
-
- Well, I assume you took that in light hearted fashion.
- I like Lone Ranger/Tonto jokes myself.
-
-
- Gen wrote:
- >I don't know if you have noticed, but there has been a large influx or
- >Asian skiers in the US in the past few, 3-4, years. They have been
- >primarily of Japanese descent and on the wealthy side.
- >I think that we might begin to see
- >more Asians on the slopes. OFten I think it is the wealthy young
- >Japanese who have money to burn, and want to see and ski America.
-
- I have, and I noted in two email messages that we will probably see more
- of this trend because where else can many of these people spend their
- money? Certainly not on 140 year mortgages as reported in some media.
-
- >Skiing in Japan is, for lack of a better word, incredible. Lines like
- >you would not believe for runs that should not be called a run.
-
- I have seen film footage.
-
- >course the northernmost island, Hokkaido, has good snow and I think may
- >be hosting a future Olymics, but skiing on the mainland is crazy.
-
- They already did (1972).
-
- --eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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