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- From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
- Subject: Re: Failure of Proposition 156
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- References: <1992Nov17.025229.13342@ntmtv> <1992Nov17.233948.12012@s1.gov> <1992Nov18.182041.1287@ntmtv> <1992Nov18.223841.22457@s1.gov>
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:36:52 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov18.223841.22457@s1.gov>, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
- |> In article <1992Nov18.182041.1287@ntmtv> adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt) writes:
- |>
- |> >passenger rail service on the Bay Area-Santa Rosa-Eureka corridor
- |>
- |> How did that go?
-
- In light of prop 156's failure (it had money for this corridor), the
- chances of implementing any of the corridor improvements identified
- in the most recent CalTrans Division of Rail study are diminished for
- the near future... The study concluded that tourist-oriented service
- between Wilits and Eureka could operate at a *profit* and that an
- inter-city travel oriented service between a Marin County ferry
- terminal and Wilits via Santa Rosa would just barely get up to the
- state-mandated 55% farebox for state-subsidized inter-city services.
- By blending the northern tourist-oriented service with the southern
- inter-city-oriented service for financial purposes the corridor could
- still make the 55% cost-recovery. By making capital upgrades to up
- speeds and by cost-sharing with Santa Rosa - Marin commuter rail
- service the corridor could become quite successful. But, alas, with
- 156's failure, we might have to wait awhile before any of this gets
- moving. Also, Marin county is a big problem for staring rail service
- in this corridor. Aparently certain vocal factions of Marin (including
- "environmentalists") are opposed to rail service. They are afraid it
- will spur development and cut into the Marin image/mystique/cache (or
- whatever it is). Instead, some rail opponents seem to think that if
- only 101 was widened then commuters would just zoom though Marin so
- fast they won't stop and settle there! (Or some such pipe dream.)
-
-
- |> [On a Central Valley TGV line...]
- |>
- |> >The best plan according to the IURD CalSpeed alignment study is to
- |> >construct an entirely new right of way that would pass somewhat to
- |> >the east of Fresno and Bakersfield.
- |>
- |> East? Why east instead of west? West would mean shorter LA and
- |> Bay Area connections. Or is this a typo?
-
- Yes, sorry, it's a typo. I meant to write "somewhat to the west of
- Fresno and Bakersfield".
-
-
- |> > According the the study, the whole [SF-LA TGV trunk line project]
- |> > will cost $9 billion.
- |>
- |> The next question is, of course, how to raise the money
-
-
- TRAC and PCL are already plotting/scheming ways to do this. This was
- also talked about at the conference. Nothing definite is planned yet,
- but it'll could be with a *sales* tax on gas sold in California. Sales
- taxes are "better" than per-gallon taxes because they "go on top of"
- the price of the gas and all other state and federal taxes. Also, a
- sales tax will bring in more revenue than a per-gallon tax as the price
- of gas rises and allows you to track inflation somewhat (at least to
- the degree that the price of gas tracks inflation). This would have to
- go to be put on the ballot, and ideally within the next few years.
-
- Another possibility is to finance a large part with private investor's
- money--like in the Texas TGV project.
-
-
- |> The Texas TGV is the only model so far, and even that is a
- |> long way off from its intended total of $8 billion or so. I wonder how
- |> it's doing so far.
-
- According to the TGV experts at the TRAC conference, it's tough going, but
- it's still going, and they now expect it to be operational around 1999-2000.
- They've been having lots of trouble with Herb Kelleher of Southwest Airlines
- and also having to break new ground with the Federal Railroad Adminstration
- and other regulatory bodies has slowed them a bit. They didn't mention that
- they were having "money problems" though.
-
-
- |> But if Clinton lives up to his campaign promises, things _might_ be
- |> a little easier.
-
- I certainly hope so! Things for rail and transit in general were damn
- tough under Bush, no doubt about it.
-
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