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- From: macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert)
- Newsgroups: rec.railroad
- Subject: Re: Why long end of engine forward?
- Message-ID: <9718@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 14:44:17 GMT
- References: <1992Nov14.133319.3394@ncsu.edu> <1e4pt5INN1g4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
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- In article <1e4pt5INN1g4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:
- >In a previous article, hess@stat.ncsu.edu (George Hess) says:
-
- >>Does anyone know why Norfolk Southern (and their
- >>ancestors, Norfolk & Western and Southern) run
- >>their engines long end forward? Seems like all
-
- > The Great Northern ran their GP7's, 9's, and 20's long hood forward for
- >safety reasons. As many people have already said, a collision with the long
- >hood taking the impact is sometimes safer for the crew than with the short hood
- The long-hood forward of early diesels is sometimes attrributed to the
- "long nose forward" of steam locomotives.
-
- >have to turn the engines as often, I don't know. The practice of ordering
- >high short hoods ended with the delivery of the first SD50's to N&W...either
- >EMD and GE wouldn't cooperate anymore, or it was decided that the SD50 and
- >C36-7 were just too darn long to run long hood forward. Southern's GP50's
- >were (I think) the last high hood units bought.
-
- The N&W stopped buying high noses in 1975 (?) on their second order of
- SD40-2's. The reasoning was that EMD/GE was charging much extra money for
- the option, and they couldn't justify the expense. The units still had
- either two control stands, or one bidirectional one, and they still had the
- long hood designated as FRONT. Southern bought high noses until the end,
- (even rebuilding the ex "old NS" locos with high noses.) N&W's money-saving
- prevailed with the "new NS", but the SD50's (at least NS's first batch) still
- had long nose as front.
-
- > One other NS question...many old ex-SOU engines have two sets of horns, one
- >set mounted on each hood. Did they feel that running nearly invisible black
- >engines made extra volume on the horns necessary?
-
- Simply put, they didn't turn locos. SO, having a set of "all-forward" five
- chimes on each end allowed the horns to be heard equally well from either
- end. (or were they 3-chimes... I'm an N&W nut...not Southern!)
-
- Den
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