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- From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
- Subject: Re: Resolution of Lens ???
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:36:40 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.233640.18554@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
- References: <Bxw69K.309@world.std.com> <1992Nov19.025409.2162@walter.bellcore.com> <1ejjclINNgl8@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>
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- In article <1ejjclINNgl8@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>, johno@sdd.hp.com (John Ongtooguk) writes:
- >
- > Isn't Fuji claiming 160 lp/mm for Velvia ? 80 lp/mm is what I usually
- > hear being the accepted limit for high quality 35mm color images and
- > it seems to be the case per your tests. 160 lp/mm also seems kind of
- > high as while people agree that it is finer grained than Kodachrome 25
- > which is rated at 100 lp/mm some have stated that the Kodachrome 'edge
- > definition' can still produce as much detail in an image.
-
- Yes, Fuji claim 160 lp/mm (high contrast 1000:1) and 80 lp/mm (1.6:1). From
- the look of the given MTF data those numbers would appear to be where the
- MTF falls to zero. The MTF is well below 20% before it gets to 100 lp/mm
- (actually cycles/mm). If we assume we need 20% modulation to visually
- resolve the USAF test pattern it would seem Velvia will not give 100 lp/mm
- with ANY lens, no matter what the aperture is, judged by visual examination
- of the USAF test pattern. With other techniques (contact printing of a mask)
- of exposure and measurement (microdensitometry) I assume you could get to
- the numbers Fuji claim.
-
- >
- > It still seems that you should be able to get more than 100 lp/mm
- > with your 500 f5 (Genesis as I recall) and Tech Pan, as even with
- > the above situation there still should be adequate margin at about
- > 200 lp/mm (?) if Tech Pan can resolve to 320 lp/mm. 200 lp/mm is
- > 5 microns per lp or about 0.0002in, a small distance. I'm guessing
- > that most (all ?) of your testing has been performed with a tripod
- > and that you might get some better numbers by using an inspection
- > surface plate or laser mounting table. While you're in an inspection
- > area you could also check for vibration of your setup. A microscope
- > that takes a camera could also be pressed into service.
- >
- It's hard to measure the "far field" performance of a 500mm lens on an
- optical bench, since the target would need to be at least 5m (preferably
- more like 12.5m) away. This exceeds the size of my lab by quite a bit!
- I do use a heavy (15#) tripod and mirror lock up, but there could be some
- shutter induced vibration. I intend to repeat my tests with Tech Pan soon
- to see if theory and practice agree!
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- Bob Atkins AT&T Bell Labs email (direct) att!clockwise!rma
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