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- From: seghers@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (David Seghers)
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:33:06 GMT
- Subject: Re: sharp, two-edged swords: Roman period
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- >/ hpkslx:rec.org.sca / sjb@fc.hp.com (Stuart Bobb) / 9:40 am Nov 16, 1992 /
- >This may not be the right news group for this question, but I suspect it is a
- >good place to start.
- >
- >I'm trying to get a realistic picture about the value and the importance a
- >sharp, two-edged sword might have had in Roman times, time period of around
- >110 A.D. No, this isn't an FRP type question, I really have an interest in
- >the historical facts (not opinions!) surrounding such a weapon.
-
- I'll take a stab at this (pun intended :-)}. From my reading, admittedly
- quite a while ago, and the replicas I have handled, the sword you are
- probably asking about is the Roman military sword. The two types which
- spring to mind are the "leaf"shaped and triangular bladed swords, both
- short, in the 24" range. The intended use was in the phalanx formation
- for which the Romans are so famous. The short length made it practical
- to swing in formation (think about it - would you want *your* shieldmate
- to swing a long blade? It could be more of a danger than the enemy!)
- whole holding a shield. The double edged design allowed it to be effective
- on the backswing. The triangular replicas I have held are weighted to
- balance near the base of the blade. I seem to remember that it was used
- against mostly unarmored opponents, and didn't need too much weight out
- at the tip. The "leaf"shaped blade had more weight near the tip and was
- a later development as different opponents were faced (again, this is from
- memory... your mileage will vary, and I'm *sure* someone will correct me
- if I have erred!).
-
- >
- >Some questions:
- >
- >I get the idea that during that time period, any sharp sword was probably a
- >tall order to manufacture and that making a good two-edged sharp sword was
- >probably a very tall order. True? False?
-
- I think that swordsmithing was rather well developed during the Roman
- Empire. So false. (A serviceable sword can be made out of wood. A
- firehardened edge can be quite sharp! It wouldn't last, but then it is
- easily reshorpened. A sharp metal blade would be relatively easy.
- Toughness is a whole other issue, though bronze (again, the memory supplies
- this a the materialof choice for the era) is in many ways superior to
- iron.). I think the blades of the period were prone to frequent breakage.
-
- >
- >What kind of personage would even command (be allowed to have) such a weapon:
- > Any lowly soldier (seems almost certainly not)
- > A centurion? (maybe?)
- > Who?
- >
-
- The Roman Empire was wealthy, and it's soldiers were very well equiped
- and an elite. After all, a sword in the hand of a soldier generated
- quite a bit of wealth, so it was a good business investment, along
- with roads...
-
- >What would be the economic value of such a weapon?
- > A few days pay for a soldier? (Not likely!)
- > A years earnings of a prince (sounds too high!)
- > How much in terms that are comparable to today?
- >
- >Is there some special tactical effectiveness of such a weapon? It seems like
- >that being two-edged it might stab/impale much deeper/better than a normal
- >sword, but I don't really know.
-
- Again, the backswing is very important when in formation.
-
- >
- >I should maybe clarify what I mean by imagery. If I say that somebody was
- >firing a .44 magnum hand-gun loaded with hollow-points, that conveys a lot of
- >things that many people today could immediately relate to. So does the
- >phrase "spraying an Uzi into a room".
-
- For imagery, try the many historical fiction books dealing with the period.
- You will get all the imagery you want.
-
- >
- >attached to wielding a sharp, two-edged sword in the 110 A.D. time period.
- >
- >If I'm totally in the wrong group, my apology, please direct me to where I am
- >most likely to get an historically accurate answer. Thanks.
- >
- >Stuart Bobb
- >sjb@fc.hp.com
- >----------
-
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-
- David Seghers (seghers@hpcc01.HP.COM) 415-691-3730
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