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- From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
- Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
- Subject: Re: Aikido, jujutsu, aiko-jutsu, etc...
- Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:25:22 GMT
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- In article 74491@apple.apple.COM, mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
- >In article <1ee4l8INNdfn@male.EBay.Sun.COM> scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
- >>The distinctive schools which were recruited by Kano include those specializing
- >>in Shimete (constriction techniques) and Katame Waza (Grappling techniques)
- >>as well as experts in Nagete (throwing techniques).
-
- >I study the Shao-Lin system taught by Sin The', which, in addition to
- >traditionally Shao-Lin material such as Lohan and Tiger-Crane styles,
- >also includes the Four Roads of Hua Mountain, the internal 'Three
- >Sister Arts' and other material, including Shaolin Chin Na and a
- >style, Ground Dragon, that is much concerned with groundfighting.
- >
- >Overall, Master The' says that throwing, takedowns, and groundfighting
- >make up about 30% of the system. However, most of the fighting styles
- >that make up the system do not concentrate exclusively on one area
- >of tactics in the way implied by the above categorization. Most
- >of the styles are strategy-oriented rather than technique-oriented.
- >Consequently, there isn't really a throwing style per se, but
- >instead there are styles whose strategy involves a lot of throwing
- >(together with other things).
-
- I would suspect that most peoples have ground fighting & the like
- The real question is if there is a Chinese style which literally
- practices lots of constriction techniques on a partner as well as
- applying asundry headlocks, armlocks, leglocks and combinations
- of the three?
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- Still, to say that a Chinese style has some throws is not the same
- thing as getting on a Judo or Jujutsu mat and taking 50-100 throws.
- Even Karate has some throws, but the practice is pretty limited.
-
- So, back to my original comment; I see the relationship between what
- I term Yawara and Chin Na (they are basically one and the same except
- the Japanese have [IMO] a greater emphasis on stability). I do not know
- nor have seen any emphasis on Throws, Constrictions, and Grappling which
- is prominent in Jujutsu (Judo) in Chinese styles. I would say that
- these Japanese arts are basically independent of Chinese styles. Any
- similiarity might be coincidental. Indeed, many throws and constriction
- techniques are 20th Century Japanese origin. Grappling has been influenced
- by British/American catch wrestling.
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- Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
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