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- From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
- Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
- Subject: Re: Fields of green (and blue, or gold and silver)
- Message-ID: <721784922.F00002@ocitor.fidonet>
- Date: 14 Nov 92 19:51:52 GMT
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- VF> In article <1992Nov10.230442.113057@watson.ibm.com>
- VF> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
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- VF> JM>What I may not have conveyed clearly is that medieval rolls of arms not
- VF> JM>only depict "barry of nine", but they also blazon it that way.
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- I have heard this claim on a number of occasions but have seen no evidence
- to back it up.
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- VF> JM>Are these two fields in fact indistiguishable? Modern heralds assure us
- VF> JM>that they are. Medieval heralds, by and large, seem to have used the two
- VF> JM>blazons interchangably to describe the same person's arms.
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- VF> So modern heralds and medieval heralds agree, and, according to you,
- VF> modern heralds wanting uniqueness of the blazon, outlawed the
- VF> alternate form of blazoning.
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- The key concept here being, of course, "according to him". The two designs
- are in fact readily distinguishable: "barry" will have opposite sides of
- the design different tinctures, where as "x bars" will have them of the
- same tincture. A simple principle, easily applied; I find it difficult to
- believe that medieval heralds were significantly stupider than modern
- heralds. Of course, they may not have considered it *important*, but that
- is quite a different question. If the "no color on color or metal on
- metal" principal is important, then this distinction is important; all of
- the heraldic authorities I've consulted seem to think that the rule of
- tincture is of a fairly respectable age.
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- Tim of Angle
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- * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
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