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- From: jhhardy@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (J. Hardy)
- Subject: Re: The overpopulation problem. NOT!
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:28:42 GMT
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- In <1992Nov20.122731.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvakgaaq@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
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-
- > Situational ethics consist of introducing a contradiction then asking
- >the challenged to resolve the unresolvable. It's illogical.
-
- So who said anything about situational ethics (not to mention your incredibly
- innacurate charicature of it)?
-
- > I disagree that anyplace is a lifeboat-situation.
-
- Not even a lifeboat? Sweeping generalizations are not a replacement for
- thought.
-
- >The Earth is hardly
- >crowded. If 4 billion people can exist at subsistence conditions in
- >collectivist countries, then perhaps 30 billion could be comfortable in
- >Capitalist, free nations in their place.
-
- Shouldn't this be in rec.politics.imperialism?
-
- > The Backcountry is hardly crowded. Go up into the Sierra now if you
- >want solitude or visit some of the North Faces. Nevada is empty as is
- >Washington state. Canada is a practical vacuum. Siberia is as empty as any
- >place can be. But, then, maybe the emptiness you seek is to be found somewhere
- >else..
-
- Obviously the voice of a man who's never been to any of these places recently.
- Or whose idea of solitude includes going to the mall by himself.
-
- I'll speak
- directly to the issue of Washington state. I spent a fair bit of last summer
- wandering around the backcountry of western washington. Its incredibly rare
- to be able to go an entire day without seeing another person. And I can't
- recall the last time I spent a day without seeing any *trace* of humans. It
- generally requires extra planning to stand any chance at all of not running
- into other ppl in the backcountry of Wahington. As a teenager growing up there
- I used to be able to easily find place where nobody else was.
-
- I used to (5 yrs ago) frequent a lake in the cascades where it was uncommon
- to see more than one group at a time. Now there are generally two or three
- cars at the trail head on weekdays, and by the weekend... well if you dont
- get there early you have to walk past about a dozen cars on your way from where
- you finally found a wide pace in the road to park. Of course if you do get
- there early you find yourself quickly overrun. Needless to say I've stopped
- going there. Last time I was there thus undergrowth was trampled, mud trails
- ran across the meadows, the trees had hatchet and rope scars, and of course -
- trash everywhere. Damn shame - it used to be close to pristine. Its still
- pretty if you dont look too close. Keep your attention on the mountain
- that rises out of the lake, and try to ignore all the ppl on the shore.
-
- The olympic penninsula is a bit better. Unfortunately the beach is overrun.
- Still beautiful of course - just don't count on solitude, and arrive early
- early at your intended camp so that its the next poor sucker who was nowhere
- to put his tent, instead of you. A trip to the penninula used to guarantee
- at least one sighting of a black bear. I didnt see any last summer, despite
- two weeks of hiking.
-
- > -Austin Moseley
-
- You're lucky Austin. I think most ppl (tho perhaps not on this group) would
- agree with you. Most folk in Seattle certainly do. All so impressed with
- living that close to 'nature' that they don't notice that theyre standing
- on a trillium. I doubt I could ever adequately express just how much
- such ppl disgust me - how much I loathe them. But there are certainly
- more of your opinion than mine, so it will probably be me that dies and
- rots in hell, instead of you. At least, with a little luck, there'll be
- a little more elbow room there than there is here.
-
- regards
-
- jim hardy
- jhhardy@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
-