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- From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
- Subject: Re: Multiplying in the Backcountry (kids/population)
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:45:30 GMT
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- In article <10797@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal F Lillywhite) writes:
- >In article <Nov18.214814.69046@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
- >
- >>The world population has been growing monotonically since day one of
- >>human history. How is this a short term question? I think we are
- >>over-analyzing.
- >
- >Wayne, your zeal is commendable but I'm afraid in this case it is
- >not matched by your knowledge. Your statement above is quite wrong.
-
- I knew some one would ping me on this, but figured most would filter out
- the spikes and look at the function from a high level. I should have known
- better, with such an analytical readership.
-
- >Among other things you will find there a graph of world population
- >over about the last 8000 years. It oscillates about a slowly
- >increasing trend until the advent of the plague when it takes a
- >sharp downturn. Thereafter it takes an even sharper upturn with
- >the industrial revolution.
-
- Again, filter the spikes, and the function increases monotonically.
- (Of course, we all know this cannot continue indefinately, and therein
- lies the problem!)
-
- >Death rate now exceeds birth rate, at least in the U.S.
-
- Being caught up in the parts, we fail to see the whole.
- -- a common modus operandi in these analytic times. The population of
- BOTH the United States and the world are growing, period. Only a fool
- would deny this and you are clearly no fool.
-
- >If you want to reduce the birth rate, forget the preaching and worry
- >about economics.
-
- Many economists work for corporations and government. Both are apparently
- caught up in vested interests, and advocate the immigration of cheap labor
- into this country. I will continue to preach. Economics is a science,
- a tool, and tools are passive solving nothing in and of themselves.
- People solve problems. The first step is to acknowlege that the problem
- exists. Currently, population is not even on most environmentalists
- agendas, the US gov't does nothing about massive immigration, and both
- our tax and welfare systems reward those who procreate to excess.
-
- Your points about economics are insightful. And the aids virus does provide
- hope. But a problem arises if we let these notions pacify us into inaction.
-
- Well, I guess its back to recycling aluminum cans: better living through
- metallurgy.
- --
-
- -Wayne Trzyna
- trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
-