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- From: bohdan@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (bohdan.l.bodnar)
- Subject: Re: Repeat: Jeep Idle Problem & Lift Questions
- Organization: AT&T
- Distribution: na
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:42:10 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.144210.19993@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
- References: <1dttbkINNnl4@rave.larc.nasa.gov> <1992Nov14.051021.17055@ra.oc.com>
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- In article <1992Nov14.051021.17055@ra.oc.com> rodder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jon D. Rodder) writes:
- >In article <1dttbkINNnl4@rave.larc.nasa.gov> DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Spooner) writes:
- >> HereUs the problem . . .
- >>
- >>1988 JEEP Wrangler, 258 I6 Engine, Carburetor
- >>
- >>The engine is having trouble idling without stalling. When at idle,
- >>the engine tends to surge, i.e.. runs smooth for a second, then
- >>starts to die for a second, then repeats. High speed engine
- >>performance is fine. IUve pulled the spark plugs & cleaned and
- >>re-gapped them. IUve done a visual inspection of the PCV system.
- >>I may have a problem here, there is a solenoid in the PCV line
- >>between the valve cover and the carburetor. Every time the engine
- >>starts to die, the solenoid clicks, either opening or closing the line.
- >
- >First, it sounds like a vacuum leak. If you haven't already replaced
- >all of the hose between the PCV valve and intake, you probably need to.
- >The hose between the solenoid and the PCV bruned thru on mine at about
- >5000 miles. The other side rotted out at about 55,000 miles. My PCV
- >solenoid also clicks when the engine is dying due to a vacuum leak.
- >There is something else though causing the engine to rev up and down,
- >but I'm not sure what it is. If I was planning to keep my Wrangler,
-
- I had a problem with similar symptoms in a 1986 Mustang (2.3 liters, carbureted
- engine). The bug was traced to a malfunctioning A/F mixture solenoid -- it
- would stick "lean", loosen, stick "rich", loosen, etc. Here's the testing
- procedure I used; perhaps, you can try something like this on your car:
-
- The EEC-IV computer system adjusts the air/fuel mixture 10x per second. Hence,
- monitoring the oxygen sensor's output with an analog high impedance voltmeter
- will result in an integrated reading (i.e., no jumping around). At idle (rough
- idle with RPMs bouncing around) I read 100 mv (very lean). The interesting
- thing occurred around 2000 RPM: the sensor's output would go to roughly 800 mv,
- stay there for a while, drop to 400 mv, stay there for a while, go back to 800,
- etc. With a fixed RPM, I'd expect its average value to stay constant. The
- diagnosis of a malfunctioning solenoid was confirmed when this one was
- replaced. Idle sensor voltage went to about 150 mv, the idle smoothed out,
- high RPM voltage reading became constant, and intake manifold vacuum went up.
-
- The Ford shop manual suggests the following test for a malfunctioning solenoid
- (if vacuum leaks cannot be found): at idle (rough idle), disconnect the
- connector to it. If there's an appreciable improvement in the idle quality,
- the solenoid is bad. Incidently, the old solenoid was very gummed up.
-
- Hope this helps you.
-
- Bohdan Bodnar
-
-