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- From: gdr11@cl.cam.ac.uk (G.D. Rees)
- Subject: Re: Diamond-hard SF
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:29:12 GMT
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- In article <BxtJ4w.FDs@techbook.com>, szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:
- |> Characters and plot are the
- |> exemplar components of mundane fiction. I do not care to see them
- |> at all, unless they are important to the technology or to the artistry
- |> of the story
-
- This is all anathema to me, but you seem to have heard the "quality" rant often
- enough not to want to hear it again from me. Instead, a few questions:
-
- If what you want to read is 'diamond-hard' sensawunder speculation and ideas,
- then why do you bother to read fiction? Surely the farther realms of the
- scientific and pseudo-scientific press are exactly what you want, brim-full of
- ideas without the slightest boring and wishy-washy character or plot in sight?
- No? Then you must get something out of science _fiction_ that you don't get out
- of mere scientific speculation. If it's not characters and plot, then please
- tell me what it is.
-
- |> -- and almost always these days the artistry of the story
- |> is defecated upon by the introduction of mundane characters or plot
- |> elements, polluting the potentially fertile vast tracts of the SF
- |> landscape with the toxic reek of an inferiority complex to mundane
- |> genres.
-
- On my part, I find the description of scientific ideas without any supporting
- story completely uninteresting. If I want to read about scientific ideas I might
- as well read about real ones that scientists are investigating today. No, when I
- read sf I'm interested in the effect of the science/technology on real people
- (mundane or otherwise). That's not to say that your kind of sf is bad, just that
- I don't get any enjoyment out of it.
-
- |> Which brings up some questions:
- |>
- |> * Who out there like me reads SF for its original tech and
- |> prose, not for the blather of "character development" and
- |> "plot" that can be found in mundance forms of fiction?
- |> * Do there exist any fan groups, critics, authors etc. dedicated
- |> to promoting diamond-hard, idea-packed SF, or is there interest
- |> in same?
- |> * What should be the minimum criteria for diamond-hard SF?
- |> I would say for starters it should have at least one
- |> interesting, original idea per page. If the first nine
- |> pages don't hit me upside the head nine times, I toss
- |> the loser!
-
- A E van Vogt used the device in a number of his books that there should be a new
- idea, plot thread or startling event every nine hundred words. Perhaps you would
- like World of Null-A.
-
- |> * What are the best works in this diamond-hard style?
-
- Two exceptions to my claim that I don't get anything out of 'diamond-hard' sf,
- and two books which exemplify everything that you want from this sub-sub-genre:
-
- Last and First Men (Olaf Stapledon)
- Star Maker (Olaf Stapledon)
-
- --
- Gareth Rees <gdr11@phx.cam.ac.uk>
-