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- From: markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
- Subject: When does Gallifrey exist?
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:02:12 GMT
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- I lost the name of the poster of this:
-
- >Well, this is not something I am clear on. If Gallifrey did exist in our
- >time, what's stopping a spaceship from just heading on over there and
- >taking it over? And Sutek recognizing the TimeLords proves only that
- >there are many renegades who make their presence known throughout time
- >and space.
-
- Well as Steve has pointed out in a recent debate which we will not resume,
- Gallifrey has rather sophisticated defences. In the Two Doctors,
- Dastari tells the Servalan Androgum that the TLs have "powers we haven't
- even dreamed of". I think any race would think long and hard before
- attacking them.
-
- Sutekh's recognising the Time Lords means more than this by the way. He says
- after the Doctor gives Gallifrey's coordinates (10 0 11, 0 0 by 02 from
- Galactic zero centre if memory serves), Sutekh says "it seems this planet is
- known to me".
-
- >I would appreciate anyone's input on just when Gallifrey exists!
-
- There is a lot of circumstancial evidence on this.
-
- In Image of the Fendahl, the doctor says the TLs time looped the 5th planet
- 12 million years ago.
-
- In the Hand of Fear, Eldrad, who had been banished 150 million years ago,
- regards the TLs as a semi legendary race who have achieved extraordinary
- things in dimensional engineering.
-
- In Time Flight, the Xeraphin seem to be aware of the TLs, this is about
- contemportary with Eldrad.
-
- In City of Death, Scaroth whose ship exploded in 400million BC according
- to the show (which is bizzare because the show says the explosion created
- life on Earth, and life on Earth is at least 3400million years older than
- that. Plus there was an atmosphere on the earth which is odd since life
- is believed to have converted the primitive atmosphere into the oxygen rich
- one we have today -at least for a little while longer. Maybe the explosion
- sparked the Cambrian explosion, or they meant 4000million BC?) knows of
- the TLs.
-
- The non canon source Love and War, makes it clear that the TLs had the power
- to create Time loops when the Earth was still forming.
-
- Finally, In Genesis of the Daleks, the Time Lord who meets the Doctor on
- ancient Skaro, remarks casually that the TLs had superceded primitive
- technology like Transmat beams when the Universe was less than half its
- present size.
-
- I think we can safely conclude from this that the TLs and Gallifrey have
- been around for countless millions of years. In TOATL, the Doctor remarks
- that the Time Lords have gone through ten million years of decay,
- and says that races like the Sonatrans, Daleks and Cybermen are still
- in the nurserey compared to them. Further he says the TLs are the oldest
- civilisation. I don't think Rassilon came from earth!
-
- Mark C.
-