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- From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
- Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
- Subject: Re: the five doctors
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.183055.14827@ioe.ac.uk>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 18:30:55 GMT
- References: <1992Nov14.4153.14127@dosgate> <1992Nov16.233544.1534@tms390.micro.ti.com>
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- In <1992Nov16.233544.1534@tms390.micro.ti.com> nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com (Neal Smith) writes:
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- >Now, for anyone else... there were a couple of minor ones, and I
- >don't like to get nit-picky, so I'll go straight to the only one that
- >really bothered me.
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- ><minor spoilers ahead for the 5 Doctors, press n to skip>
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- >When the second Doctor and the Brigadier are in the tower, they
- >come across holograms of Jamie and Zoe. The Doctor realizes that
- >they can't be real, because they have been sent back to their own
- >time stream with their memories erased, and therefore would not
- >remember him. (Of course, he ignores the fact that they could
- >have been timescooped from before there memories were erased,
- >but that's easily ignored; he assumes they would have told him
- >about the experience.) The problem is, that right after (and
- >I mean immediately) they are returned to their time, the TimeLords
- >force a regeneration on him; he now lookes like Jon Pertwee. :-)
- >[This happened in WarGames]. The point is, he did not do any
- >travelling in the TARDIS, with the face of his 2nd regeneration,
- >after learning what happened to Jamie and Zoe. He should not
- >have known! Furthermore, either he is scooped when he is
- >travelling with them (so they should be with him), or he is
- >scooped before he knows them (and he should not recognize them).
- >It is this assumption that he knows everything that has happened
- >to him later that is inconsistent. (I mean, if he can't even
- >remember being there previously as the First Doctor, and can't
- >remember that it is a trap that Borusa should be caught in, as
- >the First Doctor deduces, then how can he remember something
- >that hasn't happened yet?)
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- Weeellll... On Troughton knowing about the memory wipe, it's just possible
- that just before his regeneration the Time Lords let him pop back to see
- the brig, to relax him for the coming regeneration (you know how badly these
- hectic regenerations go). Mind you, you would of thought that they would
- have sent him back to a younger Brig, around the early days of UNIT.
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- On the later Doctors not knowing the final secret, this problem also comes
- up in The 2 Docs, but I put that down to either the drug they fed the Doc,
- the genetic mangling he received, or the odd time-field effects of the
- Kartz-Rheinmer module.(sp?) In this case, we can either assume that the later
- Docs keep schtum so as to preserve what's left of causality, or that they
- are given timely memory wipes as they leave.
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- >There are about 5 other (three, sir!) excuse me, 3 other
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- Methinks you were closer first time, this thing is riddled with holes.
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- >minor inconsistencies that bug me, but I have seen some explanations
- >for those that work, even if they don't jibe well, so I'm willing
- >to ignore those. (What they are is left as an exercise for the
- >bored viewer.) Anyone want to explain this one?
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- >From Neal Smith (nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com)
- >The expressions opined here are mine.
- >If you want TI's opinion, you'll have to ask marketing...
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- Ian J Davenport MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl
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- "There are three things you should know about the wise old woman..."
- "1. She is wise."
- "2. She is old."
- "3. She is a WOMAN!"
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