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- From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
- Subject: Usenet Culture, Part 2
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.214429.1189@metrosoft.com>
- Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com
- Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
- Organization: Metrosoft
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:44:29 GMT
- Lines: 75
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- In a previous post, I contrasted what I saw as two cultures on the net: for
- sake of simplicity, an established culture and a new culture. I attempted to
- point out some characteristics of each, and what I perceive to be the clash or
- "understanding gap" between them and how it pertains to Usenet guidelines,
- voting process, etc. Based on feedback, some people agreed with various points
- and some disgreed, still others claimed it didn't matter. Very well.
-
- Since then it has become clear that I shouldn't categorize the "established
- culture" as one group. Over the last week I have seen two different groups
- emerge. One gives me hope, the other causes me concern.
-
- There are a lot of people in the established culture that are willing to
- converse and argue the issues. Some have performed a lot of work in writing the
- existing documentation and guidelines and creating this net for us to use. They
- are willing to talk/listen - discuss. In cases where there are disagreements,
- they rationally present their view. They've pointed out in constructive ways my
- errors in logic and execution. They've also been able to see through the flaws
- in execution to see some value in some issues I've raised or underscored. I've
- learned a lot from these people. I sincerely hope that they are in the
- majority.
-
- There are also a number of people that are seemingly very interested in keeping
- Usenet a challenge. They claim to only respect people that have thick skins,
- are willing to endure barbs and ridicule to get information, and contain an
- ability to argue to the death. I'll use an example to underscore my point.
-
- I received a piece of e-mail regarding this issue from one individual that,
- aside from one or two lines, was two screenfulls of insults and barbs. It
- included a "humorous" reference to "breaking my fingers to keep me from typing
- for awhile". This person in the same letter claimed that *my* posts were
- belligerent and that I should "shut up". I was so amazed by this that I thought
- I'd foot a long distance bill to see if this person was the same over the
- phone. After 14 years in the computer industry I've learned that how people
- behave via e-mail and over the phone can be very different. This individual was
- exactly the same on the phone. We discussed some of the issues. When it was
- clear that neither was going to see the points of the other was presenting, I
- suggested that using expressions like "breaking your fingers so you can't type"
- was a sad way to make your point. This person responded that if I was bothered
- by that line that I would have a difficult time dealing with Usenet.
-
- I sincerely hope that this kind of viewpoint isn't prevalent. I can't in good
- conscience subject people in my company and my peers to an environment where
- they have to endure references to having their fingers broken in order to
- express their opinions. But the unfortunate thing is that a lot of people like
- us *need* Usenet.
-
- This person also indicated that I'd mistaken Usenet for reality, claiming all
- this is in "fun". This implies to me that this individual feels that Usenet is
- a game or sport, and that the object is "to win". Well for a number of people
- this is very "real". Usenet for us isn't and end in itself but a vital tool. We
- got onto the net not for a playground or a place to flex our muscles and
- sharpen our wits, but as a place to obtain information.
-
- Some people feel that the guidelines and the process are fine as is, mostly
- citing what they feel are legitimate flaws in new things that are proposed.
- Certainly valid - that's what discussion is for. Other people feel that things
- need to be changed in a constructive manner, not meaning to insult the people
- that have created what is there so far. That seems valid too. What DOESN'T seem
- valid are people that are doing this for "sport" and will protect their "club"
- from invasion at all costs.
-
- I know that the opinion of a "newbie" doesn't carry a lot of weight with many
- members of this group. But I'd like to ask you to sincerely consider the
- motives behind each given argument or proposal as they come up and to not
- support this sporting "survival of the fittest" mentality (and I'm trying to be
- very polite here).
-
- Gordon
-
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