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- From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
- Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.fantasy
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- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:54:24 GMT
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- TERRY D. BARKLEY <32BSFJC@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>:
- >> So, a writer who uses FTL ... travel should be considered fantasy?
- > Until proven otherwise (beyond doubt), FTL travel and psi abilites are
- >still within the realm of possibility. Just because the technology is
- >currently beyond our capabilities...
-
- Oh boy! A legitimate excuse to discuss this! (You can't bring this
- topic up for the nth time in the regular venues without getting a lot
- of pointed invitations to move it elsewhere.)
-
- FTL (psi is a more borderline case) is a convention of the genre.
- That is, it is not presented as an unrealized possibility, however
- improbable. Rather, there is a general agreement to allow its use
- so that a certain class of story can be told -- even though neither
- the author nor the reader believes that it is a 'legitimate' device.
- (Remember, FTL does not simply imply a higher technology; it requires
- that our current understanding of physics be proved invalid. If you
- assume that, you're playing a completely different game.)
-
- Yes, it is still within the realm of possibility that our world view
- will be invalidated to the point where FTL is shown to be possible.
- It is also within the realm of possibility that our world view will
- be invalidated to the point where ghosties and ghoulies are shown to
- exist. That doesn't make the latter science fiction.
-
- >Fantasy, on the other hand, always has a mystical air about it, and never
- >tries to look to the future...
-
- Terry, this is simply untrue, and I can toss many counter-examples
- your way. Of course, you could respond to any of them by saying
- "but that's not fantasy" -- even though many or most people *consider*
- them fantasy. But that's precisely what a fantasy group has never
- been able to get off the ground: There are too many cases that evade
- such facile generalizations. We've already seen one answer to that
- in this discussion: Leave all the borderline cases under sf, and
- let r.a.fantasy have the clear-cut ones. Begs the question, doesn't it?
-
- There are, as I said, countless counterexamples. The relatively
- recent popularity of fantasy has caused it, like sf before it, to
- acquire subgenres that many of its devotees would rather not claim.
- How about...
-
- "Conjure Wife", by Fritz Leiber; "At Amberleaf Fair", by Phyllis
- Anne Karr; "The Cage", by Stirling and Meier; "The Goblin
- Reservation", by Clifford Simak; "Bone Dance", by Emma Bull --
- to cover five different subgenres.
-
- -----
- Dani Zweig
- dani@netcom.com
-
- 'T is with our judgements as our watches, none
- Go alike, yet each believes his own
- --Alexander Pope
-