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- Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.policy
- Subject: Re: What is pornography, anyway?
- Path: sparky!uunet!think.com!unixland!rmkhome!rmk
- From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
- Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:27:21 GMT
- Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
- Message-ID: <9211180027.36@rmkhome.UUCP>
- References: <BxMu36.IM9@cs.uiuc.edu> <1992Nov13.153824.27660@news.columbia.edu> <9211150013.37@rmkhome.UUCP> <1992Nov16.155802.25830@news.columbia.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov16.155802.25830@news.columbia.edu> dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
- >In article <9211150013.37@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
- >>
- >>But the bottom of the line federal line in the US is:
- >>
- > Is this a federal law? I was under the impression that it was a state
- >controlled area.
-
- You're right. I was mistaken.
-
- >>Depictions of children under the age of 18 engaged in sex or posed to
- >>sexually tittilate are illegal.
- >>
- > How do you define "posed to sexually tittilate"? Most laws on child porn
- >are very bad. I gues most such laws actually illegalize much more than
- >than what we would call "pornography". They are usually criticised as being
- >overbroad.
-
- In Massachusetts it merely comes down to a naked child is pornography and/or
- obscene.
-
- >>The government does not have to prove whether it is pornographic or not.
- >>
- > Indeed not. I think they did prior to 1982. BTW, it is not "pornographic",
- >but "obscene", and that's what we were debating.
-
- In Massachusetts, all depictions of naked children that show the genitals
- are obscene.
-
- > The point is that we want to stop child porn not because it is obscene, but
- >because it inevitably derives from child sexual abuse. If we belive that
- >children under a certain age cannot consent, then it must be against consent
- >that we force them to engage in sexual activity (whether that activity is
- >actual sex or just sexual poses).
-
- That's right.
-
- > Ideally, child porn laws would become part of the general child abuse laws,
- >and finally sever the connection between porn and child-porn.
-
- That makes sense to me.
-
- In the meantime, I will not gate a.b.p.e through my system, as I don't want
- to spend my time being a censor.
-
- I took news.sysadmin out of the newsgroups line, as somebody somewhere has
- it aliased to news.admin.technical, which is a moderated group.
-
- --
-
- Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.UUCP unixland!rmkhome!rmk rmk@frog.UUCP
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