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- From: speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
- Subject: Re: "Monsters Among Us", Frontlines, November 10, 1992, PBS
- Date: 20 Nov 92 21:22:15 MST
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.212216.12852@hellgate.utah.edu>
- Organization: The Erland Cult
- References: <13147@optilink.UUCP> <1992Nov12.231349.29610@gordian.com> <1992Nov17.161012.248@hellgate.utah.edu> <13236@optilink.UUCP>
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- In article <13236@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov17.161012.248@hellgate.utah.edu>, speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
-
- ># ## # Take a look at California's laws on child molestation. It's
- ># ## # obvious they are written the way they are to benefit homosexuals.
-
- ># ## !!! Are you actually suggesting that legislators purposefully wrote
- ># ## laws which benefit homosexual molestors? You realize, that would be the
-
- ># #Sure. Willie Brown, Assemblyman from San Francisco, has been speaker
- ># #of the Assembly for many years now.
-
- ># #[specifics of the bill deleted -- it's illegal to have sex with
- ># # a female under the age of 18, and a male under the age of 14.]
-
- ># #The law is not gender specific -- but it's clear that by making
- ># #sexual intercourse illegal for a girl under 18, but sodomy and
- ># #oral sex legal for a boy under 18, that the Legislature sought to
- ># #protect the interests of the homosexual community.
-
- ># This doesn't follow at all. While the law may very well have the
- ># effect of benefitting some parts of the homosexual community, I
- ># don't see any reason to believe that that was the intent of the law.
-
- ># Why not argue that the intent of the bill was to uphold Traditional
- ># Family Values (it is VERY VERY important that girls remain virgins,
- ># but boys are allowed to fool around)? Or that the intent of the bill
-
- >Because the unlawful sexual intercourse law is quite old, while
- >the other parts are recently adopted.
-
- This is irrelevant. In both the old and the new versions of the law,
- causing underage females to lose their virginity is strongly proscribed.
- What has presumably changed are the laws relating to non-virginity-
- threatening fooling around.
-
-
- ># was to take account of the fact that heterosexual sex between a young
- ># adolescent and an adult is not generally considered traumatic if the
- ># adolescent is male?
-
- >Not at all clear.
-
- What's unclear about it?
-
- An adult male who has sex with an adolescent girl is "taking advantage"
- of her, whereas an adult female who has sex with an adolescent boy is
- "initiating" him--at least that's how the popular stereotypes run. I
- don't claim that the stereotypes are true, merely that they are widely
- believed, and that it is a perfectly plausible motivation for California's
- age of consent laws.
-
-
- >It would have been far simpler to have just
- >made the unlawful sexual intercourse law non-sexist, or to have
- >passed a law prohibiting oral, anal, or vaginal intercourse
- >between an adult and a child under <pick an age#.
-
- It would have been simpler, and it would have also been manifestly unjust
- in a number of very common situations.
-
- An example: the age of consent and the age of adulthood in a certain state
- are both declared to be 18. I and my SO begin a longterm sexual relationship
- when we are both 17. My SO is exactly one day older than me. We have sex
- on my SO's eighteenth birthday. My SO is arrested for statutory rape--for
- doing something that was perfectly legal both the day before and will be so
- the day after.
-
- The most plausible motivation I can think of for the new "complicated" law
- is to avoid such situations.
-
-
- >Instead, they
- >left a gender-specific law in place, and passed a new, very
- >complicated one that allowed adults to sodomize teenaged boys.
-
- It also allows adults to sodomize teenaged girls.
-
- --
- "From your signature it is obvious that you are a homosexual"
- soren f petersen : i AM NOT : --Doc
- speterse@peruvian.utah.edu : THE university OF utah :
- "How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there" --Tiffany
-