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- From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
- Subject: Re: How to Protect Capital Gains?
- Reply-To: ask@cblph.att.com
- Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:40:47 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.204047.13266@cbnews.cb.att.com>
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- In article <m8z1x_=@rpi.edu> floydb@rpi.edu writes:
- >In article <1992Nov20.152817.28330@netcom.com> girisha@netcom.com (Girish Andalkar) writes:
- >>For a change I will have a good deal of Capital Gains for this
- >>year. I prefer to take the gains in next year for tax purposes.
- >>What are the workable sceams, solutions that "gaurentee" that
- >>the paper profits do not evaporate. Please elaborate in detail
- >>the pros and cons.
-
- Yes -- there are ways to guarantee the paper profit will not
- evaporate. But you later say you still want to participate in any
- new profits the stock may undergo -- that sure makes it more
- difficult:
-
- >>I am aware (very little) of "Selling Short" what you own to make
- >>sure that the gains do not disappear. But I do not want to loose
- >>(greedy) further appreciation that is likely. Also, if I sell
- >>it short now, the money I will get now, will have to be
- >>accounted for somehow for taxes. As you can see, I am all confused.
- >>
- >>I am willing to spend little money if "Options" is a workable
- >>alternative. Again, I do not know much about options.
- >>
- >>Please help. I am sure many of our friends have similar problems.
- >
- >Presuming your capital gains are on individual stocks you have at
- >least three choices:
- >
- >1) Short selling stock that can be covered by stock you already
- > own. You realize a profit now and retain your stock. If the
- > stocks go down your potential profit on the short-sale increases
- > as your capital gain on the retained stock decreases. If you
- > have the choice of buying stock on margin, you may be able to
- > short sell more stock than you own and incur the increased risk
- > and increased current-year profit. This is not a tax-avoidance
- > choice.
-
- This is often called "selling short against the box."
-
- You basically put the X shares you now own "in a box" where they
- won't be touched until next year.
-
- The you sell short a "different" X number of shares in the same
- company and take in the cash right now.
-
- Next year you close out both your original long transaction as well
- as this new short transaction. Those two transactions will cancel
- each other out less commission costs, so whether the stock sinks
- real low or whether the price shoot way way up, you will not be
- affected.
-
- Most brokers will accept orders to sell short against the box, but
- they might charge a small fee to put your long shares into
- "safekeeping" - the box I described.
-
- If you actually hold the shares yourself, there's no worry about a
- fee, or if you have accounts with two brokers you can do the same.
- Of course, in these cases, you will have to have sufficient
- collateral for your short sale.
-
- The option strategies described allow you to hedge you profits a bit,
- and maybe pull in a bit more cash; but they are not a guarantee of
- doing so, and can produce a loss, for that matter.
-
- >2) Similarly, you can write covered calls for the quantity of stock
- > you own. If the stock goes down your options won't be called and
- > you keep the premium. If the stock goes up you may be called before
- > the end of the year and not avoid capital gains taxes this year.
- >
- >3) You could buy puts. You can't get called on the options and you
- > don't realize any profit this year from the transaction. You
- > lock in the sale price even if the stock goes down. If the stock
- > goes up, you could sell the put options at a loss or you could
- > let them expire worthless. If you don't want to loose much on
- > the put options and you don't think the stock will go up too
- > much in the next two months then you could buy puts in the money
- > at a strike price six months out (April/May). With the stock
- > price staying the same time-value will have little impact and
- > intrinsic value will remain constant, you might loose 10% to time
- > plus commissions.
- >
- >good luck
- >
- >barry
- >
-
-
- --
- Art Kamlet a_s_kamlet@att.com AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
-