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- Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.bsd
- Subject: Re: Solaris 1.1 vs. Solaris 2.0 (BSD vs AT&T)
- Path: sparky!uunet!think.com!unixland!rmkhome!rmk
- From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
- Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:40:10 GMT
- Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
- Message-ID: <9211152140.12@rmkhome.UUCP>
- References: <BxLz6x.EL7@cs.uiuc.edu> <1992Nov13.232053.7061@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu> <VIXIE.92Nov14194825@cognition.pa.dec.com> <1e57peINNg87@neuro.usc.edu>
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- In article <1e57peINNg87@neuro.usc.edu> merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes:
- >In article <VIXIE.92Nov14194825@cognition.pa.dec.com> vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie) writes:
- >>You mean I'll be back to the 14-character file name limit soon? Or that
- >>I'll have to convert all my code from sockets to STREAMS? Or that I'll
- >>have to run a 200-kilobyte shell script to add accounts to my computer
- >>soon? Or that I'll have to punt X Windows in favor of a DMD5620 or VT100?
- >>Or that I'll have to log into ksh or sh since will be removed from my disk?
- >
- >On my SCO SYSV/386 3.2r2.0 ODT 1.1 system we have BSD sockets, menu driven
- >account creation, and X11R4 server and clients. ODT 2.0 adds symbolic links
- >and much longer filenames. What will be removed from your disk? We have sh,
- >csh, ksh -- and probably anything else you would want.
- >
- >>Face it, dude, AT&T doesn't know UNIX from a hole in their ass. USL is
- >>even less clueful. System V UNIX is dead. The market opened their eyes
- >>and told them "you can't possibly be serious!" and they adopted BSD as
- >>the only way to keep selling licenses. POSIX won the interface battle,
- >>not SVID. BSD won the users over. If you think a new user would take
- >>System V.[01234] seriously as a competitor to Windows/NT or BSD, you are
- >>totally out of your freaking mind.
- >
- >Windows/NT is likely to have BSD and AT&T/USL UNIX for lunch. It supposedly
- >offers POSIX, Win16, Win32, SMP, networking, and a whole truckload of other
- >stuff on a single optical disk for easy installation and operation. I have
- >not seen an X11R5 product announcement -- but it can't be ffar from release.
- >I suspect most desktop systems will be running Windows/NT by the end of 1993
- >-- and with rare exceptions i386/i486 based SYSV systems will bite the dust.
- >
- >The large scale mainframe market may still be up for grabs -- but Windows/NT
- >as a transportable scalable architecture (provided the claims are met) will
- >probably make a very attractive cross spectrum operating system product.
-
- Check out the Windows and OS/2 groups.
-
- Windows/NT will probably end up as a server OS. Microsoft will position it
- to server user running Windows 3.x on a network. It has been said by
- Microsloth posters that it will be sold as Windows 3.1 NT.
-
- As shipped, NT will not allow dumb terminals on serial ports due to the
- lack of a non-console login program. It will allow telnet sessions from
- clones running Windows 3.x.
-
- There is a good chance that NT will barely be released by the end of 1993.
-
- It is not a substitute for UNIX, in fact it is a different market.
-
- --
-
- Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.UUCP unixland!rmkhome!rmk rmk@frog.UUCP
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