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- Subject: Re: Se/30 32-bit clean?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.221038.1@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 14:10:38 GMT
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- >>>In article <BxznBM.L8H@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
- >>> jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End) writes:
- >>>
- >>> no
- >>>
- >>In <1992Nov19.213430.7587@cerritos.edu> jacobs@cerritos.edu writes:
- >>
- >>What he was trying to say, in those o so eloquent :) words was that if you
- >>need 32 bits for >8meg of ram, you need Mode32.
- >>
- >In article <By0uI5.67K@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu
- > (the End) writes:
- > Pardon me ? I'll tell you what I wanted to say thanks you. Get ready........
- >
- > NO
-
- Now, now kiddies this sort of exchange is helping noone and will simply end up
- in excessive flaming which I am tired of reading.
-
- It's a long story, but in a nutshell...
-
- Both of you are correct.
-
- The SE/30 is NOT 32-bit clean. It was designed before Apple had completely
- moved over to 32-bit clean architecture. Consequently it was stunted, pruned,
- and had it's wings clipped (I think you get my drift) so that it would still
- be compatible with the then (and now!) 32-bit dirty software. This stunting
- took the form of 32-bit dirty ROMS (the read only memory that the CPU uses
- when it is first switched on). Basically, these make the CPU think it was
- still 24-bit.
-
- HOWEVER, this can be corrected by a software patch, MODE32. This is a system
- extension that corrects the code that was installed from the ROMS. This was
- developed by CONNECTIX and then APPLE bought the rights to it. It is now
- freely available to anyone who wants it. It can also be downloaded from
- ftp.apple.com it you wish. I believe that in addition to the SE/30, some
- mac IIs also have 32-bit dirty ROMS which can be fixed by MODE32.
-
- Why would you want to be 32-bit clean. Well that has to do with the amount
- of memory you would want to address using Sys7. In the old 24-bit mode, the
- maximum amount of memory you could address was 4MB (8MB in the case of the
- SE/30 - something I still have not worked out why!!). Anyway, there was
- a definite upper limit - at the very most 24 bits can address 16MB (2^24).
- In 32-bit mode you can theoretically address 4 Gigabytes, though I believe
- in reality you can address less. What would anyone want with 4 Gigabytes -
- just think how many 16MB SIMMS you would need!!! Obviously, the potential
- is there and that was one of the reasons for switching to 32-bit
- architecture.
-
- So, currently if you want to address >8MB on an SE/30, using real (SIMMS)
- or virtual (HD) memory, you need MODE32. I have an SE/30 but do not use
- MODE32 much yet. The 8MB real memory I have is enough (for now) and a
- lot of software is still not 32-bit clean and would crash.
-
- That may not be the most technical explanation you could get, but its
- what I learnt about my CPU and a bit better than just "no"!
-
- Richard.
-