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Info-Mac Digest             Mon, 16 Nov 92       Volume 10 : Issue 273

Today's Topics:

      [*] apple-font-pack-spec.hqx
      [*] Can't empty trash / Silverlining
      [*] Carbon Copy Demo
      [*] EdgeWays TeleTimes Electronic Magazine - Nov '92
      [*] Edgeways TeleTimes Electronic Magazine - Oct '92
      [*] MacFAQ 1.16 submission
      [*] PowerBook 100 Disassembly Instructions
      [*] QuarkXPress 3.11 updater
      [*] shuttle-pilot.hqx
      [*] System 7 Pack! 3.2 Release
      1000 Miles game
      7.1 and no virtual memory (R)
      AIFF & star-trek-theme
      Alternatives to Chooser (A)
      American Sign Language
      An open Letter to Apple
      Anybody have the list of Apple recalled HDs? (Q)
      ARA for Microcom AX, ARA and datalock (Q)
      ara script for a prometheus modem (A)
      Bird of Prey - Romulan!
      Booting problem
      Check printing fraud
      Check printing fraud (C)
      Check printing fraud (Q?)
      Check printing fraud (R)
      comp.binaries.mac archive
      compression data correction
      DAT Drives (Q)
      De-compression by comm programs
      Desktop rebuild problems and NEC Driver
      Disappearing Files
      DW paper
      Email Lists, and other cool hacks...
      EtherNet/LocalTalk (A)
      EtherNet/LocalTalk (C)
      Excel file format
      Fake bomb "joke"
      Fake Bomb Joke (C) (2 msgs)
      Fax modem info/reviews wanted
      File: "INFO-MAC MAIL" being sent to you
      FrameMaker on "Sale"
      IIsi memory problems
      Info-Mac Digest V10 #272 (3 msgs)
      Intellidraw bug?
      Jasmine Drive problem
      Laserbridge (Ethernet/Localtalk)
      LaserWriter Repair Money Saving Tips
      Locking Volume names?
      Looking for a 50 cycle UPS
      Mac Games for Kids
      MacMoney
      Microsoft Word 4.0 double pages
      Minor Finder problems (A)
      missing icons
      Mystery file in Apple Menu
      Now 4.01 troubles
      NOW Utilties and WYSIWYG Font Menu Problem
      Personnal LaserWriter LS upgrade: that's impossible !
      PM 4.2 & RIFF?
      PowerBook Modem Commands (Apple Modem)
      Problems with SyQuests
      Q700 VSO Overdrive (T)
      Quadra's and non 32 bit programs
      Residential Lease (A)
      SAM 3.5 vs Disinfectant
      Sav-O-Matic
      Selling older software versions - more comments
      StuffIt-Not-Converter??
      StuffIt Converter (A)
      Sys7.1 vs Sys7.0.1 speed report(C)
      System 7 funniness (T)
      Terminal emulator suggestions needed.
      Trashcan Label Help!!
      What is LaTex, by the way?
      Word 5.1

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 09:54:12 EST
From: "Harry Phillips" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] apple-font-pack-spec.hqx

I have digitized Apple's Product Specification Sheet for the Apple Font
Pack and saved it as a PICT file for those of you who are interested in
seeing what the "New Standards" are.
                        -Harold Phillips

[e-mail]                          |)rexel ()niversity

[Archived as /info-mac/report/apple-font-pack-spec.hqx; 146K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11:32:01 +0100
From: "CHRISTIAN F. BUSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Can't empty trash / Silverlining

In an earlier issue of the digest I asked why the Mac would tell me that
the trash can is empty even when I know that there is something in it to
delete.

So far, I've got 2 email replies.

[Archived as /info-mac/report/no-empty-trash.txt; 4K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 12:17:02 MDT
From: Alonso Castro <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Carbon Copy Demo

>Someone on MACNET-L told me a few months ago that there is a demo version of
>Carbon Copy Mac on Applelink and America Online.  I've been using Timbuktu,
>but
>at over $100/copy for 80+ users on my network, it can get pretty expensive.
>Carbon Copy Mac can be purchased for under $200 for one zone.  Does anyone
>have
>access to either of these?  Any possibility of uploading this to sumex?
>Thanks!
>
>Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering, Cornell University

Here it is. This demo version works for about 20 minutes. It is slow at 2400
baud and reasonably OK at 9600. Downloaded from America Online.

Alonso Castro

[Archived as /info-mac/demo/carbon-copy.hqx; 654K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:10:28 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] EdgeWays TeleTimes Electronic Magazine - Nov '92

This is the November 1992 issue of TeleTimes

The Electronic Newspaper of EdgeWays!
InfoLink GUI BBS [phone]
Bob M. Grahame Publisher
Internet: [e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/digest/teletimes-02.hqx; 74K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:09:13 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Edgeways TeleTimes Electronic Magazine - Oct '92

This is the inagural (October 1992) issue of TeleTimes

The Electronic Newspaper of EdgeWays!
InfoLink GUI BBS [phone]
Bob M. Grahame Publisher
Internet: [e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/digest/teletimes-01.hqx; 61K]

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 09:13:46 EST
From: [e-mail] (Rusty Harold)
Subject: [*] MacFAQ 1.16 submission

Archive-name: macintosh/software-faq
Version: 1.16
Last modified: November 7, 1992


              comp.sys.mac.faq

  Copyright (C) 1992, Elliotte Harold, [e-mail]

  Changes:

  Some changes in the header to make this file eligible for posting
  in news.answers.

  Question 1.0  I have a question...
       Due to what has subjectively seemed like an increasing number
  of posts in the Mac newsgroups which violate basic netiquette, a
  pointer to the information in news.announce.newusers has been
  added.

  Question 1.1  What other information is available?
       The contents of the report directory at sumex has been updated.

  Question 2.0  Why is my system taking up so much memory?
       Maxima allows addressing use of fourteen megs of real RAM under
  System 6 as well as providing a RAM disk for any memory beyond that
  limit.

  Question 3.1  Where can I ftp Mac software?
       ftp.irisa.fr no longer mirrors sumex or carries any other Macintosh
  software.  Two Swedish archives, sics.se and lth.se, have been added.
  If anyone knows of a non-Scandinavian, continental site to replace
  ftp.irisa.fr I'd like to hear of it.
       Since Mike Gleason is no longer maintaining his mac.ftp.list, it
  has been dropped from this section.

  Question 3.5  What is .bin? .hqx? .cpt? .etc.?
    StuffIt 3.01 is now StuffIt 3.0.1 and may be 3.0.3 by the time
  you read this.

  Question 9.1
       Disk First Aid 7.1 can reportedly cure the disappearing folders
  bug.

  Question 11.6  What is Autodoubler?  Is it safe?
       The problem with Find File in Word 5.0 has been corrected
  in Word 5.1.

  Question 11.7  How does Autodoubler compare to More Disk Space?
       StuffIt SpaceSaver has finally arrived.  I should have had a
  to install and evaluate it by the next release of this FAQ.


               Table of Contents

 I.    Introduction
     1. What other information is available?
     2. Posting Etiquette
 II.   The Question of the Year:
     Why is my system using so much memory?
 III.  FTP
     1. Where can I FTP Macintosh software?
     2. Can I get shareware by E-mail?
     3. Where can I find Application X?
     4. Can someone mail me Application X?
     5. What is .bin?  .hqx?  .cpt?  .image? .etc?
 IV.   Viruses
     1. Help!  I have a virus!
     2. Reporting new viruses
 V.    Printing
     1. How do I make a PostScript file?
     2. How do I print a PostScript file?
     3. Why won't my PostScript file print on my mainframe's printer?
     4. Why are my PostScript files so big?
     5. How can I print PostScript on a non-PostScript printer?
     6. How do I make my ImageWriter II print in color?
     7. Why doesn't PrintMonitor work with the ImageWriter?
     8. Why did my document change when I printed it?
 VI.   System Software
     1. What is System 7 Tuneup?  Do I need it?
     2. Do I need System 7.01?
     3. How can I get System 7.01 on 800K disks?
     4. Why do my DA's disappear when I turn on MultiFinder?
 VII.  DOS and the Mac
     1. How can I move files between a Mac and a PC?
     2. How can I translate files to a DOS format?
     3. Should I buy SoftPC or a real PC?
 VIII. Security
     1. How can I prevent users from changing the contents of a folder?
     2. How can I password protect my Mac?
 IX.   Hard Disks
     1. Help! My folder disappeared!
     2. Why can't I throw this folder away?
 X.    Floppy Disks
     1. Why can't my new Mac read my old Mac's floppy disks?
     2. Can I turn a double-density disk into a high density disk by
        punching an extra hole in it?
 XI.   Miscellaneous
     1. How can I preview a PostScript file?
     2. How do I edit a PostScript file?
     3. What does System Error xxx mean?
     4. How do I use a picture for my desktop?
     5. How do I make a startup screen?
     6. Can I Replace the "Welcome to Macintosh" box with a picture?
     7. What is AutoDoubler? Is it safe?
     8. How does AutoDoubler compare to other compression products?
     9. What's a good text editor for the Mac?
    10. Where did my icons go?

[Archived as /info-mac/report/csm-faq.txt; 57K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:12:48 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Tim Steele)
Subject: [*] PowerBook 100 Disassembly Instructions

You may find these instructions worthy of putting on your FTP server
and/or spreading around.

Tim

[Archived as /info-mac/tech/powerbook-100-disassembly.txt; 10K]

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 11:22:39 EST
From: [e-mail] (Josh Hartmann)
Subject: [*] QuarkXPress 3.11 updater

Included is a Compact Pro archive of a program that updates QuarkXPress
>From 3.1 to 3.11. In addition, I have included the new Frame Editor and
XPress Tags Filter, as well as a readme file.

Please note that I have received permission from Quark, which is not
on the Internet, to post these to the net. I am not affiliated with
Quark, however.

Josh Hartmann
[e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/app/quark-xpress-31-to-311-updater.hqx; 222K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 02:24:01 -0700
From: raymund ken-guan chan <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] shuttle-pilot.hqx

ShuttlePilot is a file synchronizer that works by allowing the user to
designate a list of folder-pairs that he wants to be equalized. Based upon
this list, it will copy and replace files within those folders until their
contents are equivalent. It was designed for people with two or more Macs or
hard disks and multiple copies of files that change daily. It can also be used
as a simple backup program. This demo is similar in all respects with the full
program except it does not have the capability to read or to save files to
disk.

The list price of this software is US$ 98.88. There is a special limited time
introductory offer of $59.00 for orders recieved before January 31st 1993. In
addition there is a shipping and handling fee of $3.00 for USA/Canada. For
other countries the shipping and handling is US$8.00. Please send US$ checks
made out to Xanatech and mail it to:

Xanatech
c/o Raymund Chan
1520 Girard Blvd NE, Apt#O
Albuquerque, NM 87106

Evening phone: [phone]
Internet: [e-mail]
America Online: Raymund
AppleLink: Xanatech

Please feel free to call or email if you have questions.

[Archived as /info-mac/util/shuttle-pilot.hqx; 112K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:20 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [*] System 7 Pack! 3.2 Release

System 7 Pack! 3.2 - the System 7 Customizer!

Version 3.2 now lets System 7.1 users get rid of the rename delay!

Now works with System 7.1!

(See David Pogue's December MacWorld article for a great review of the System
7 Pack!)

System 7 too slow? Too inflexible?

You need the System 7 Pack!

-Increases speed of Finder copies by 300%
-Increases speed of Finder by removing ZoomRects.
-Change Finder's menu command keys!
-Add application-document links. (e.g. MacWrite ---> MS Word.)
-Includes ATM Fixer application which fixes ATM 2.0x so that it can use System
7.1Us Font Folder.
-And More!

Copies can also be ordered for $29.95 each from the Public Software Library at
800-242-4775. Comments/questions: [e-mail] or 908-548-5107.

[Archived as /info-mac/util/system--pack-32.hqx; 85K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:40:00 EST
From: Matthew B Cravit <[e-mail]>
Subject: 1000 Miles game

Does anyone know where I can FTP a copy of 1000 miles, the B&W version of
Mille
Bornes?  I have seen the color version on sumex, but since it is color, it
does
not run on my PB100.

Thanks

/Matthew
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 13:35:51 EST
From: [e-mail] (Mel Martinez x8378)
Subject: 7.1 and no virtual memory (R)

in infomac v10 #272 <[e-mail]> writes:

> I hope this hasn't been answered alredy.  I've been having problems w/
> using virtual memory now that I have system 7.1.  Whenever I turn it on,
> then restart, I'm given a message saying that the system may be damanged
> and I should use the installer to fix it (any suggestions on how to get
> the installer to do this w/o actually rebuilding the whole system
> appreciated.
> Disk First Aid does no good.)
> Disinfectant 2.9 found no viruses.
> Any clues?


Yes, I had the same mysterious (and qute unhelpful) message.  I traced the
problem down to MacTCP 1.1.  If you have this, you will need to upgrade to
MacTCP 1.1.1 in order to use virtual mem w/sys7.1.  It is kinda irritating
that
the only two pieces of sys7.1-incopmpatible software I have found so far
amongst my stuff are both Apple products... >:(

Also, to 'repair' just the system file, boot from another disk (such as the
Disk Tools disk) and drag your damaged system file to the trash.  Replace it
by
dragging the System file from the Install (#1) disk.  Make sure that you then
drag the required fonts [Chicago, Geneva, and Monaco] from the Fonts disk
either into the Fonts subfolder of your System Folder or into the System file
itself.  The 'raw' System file on the Install disk does not have them
pre-installed.  Although the Installer script does put these directly into the
System file itself, I have found no problem with just putting them in the
Fonts
folder with the rest of my fonts.

I hope this is helpful.

Mel Martinez
The Johns Hopkins University
Dept. of Physics
[e-mail]

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Date: 15 Nov 92 17:07:00 EST
From: "Troen, Bruce" <[e-mail]>
Subject: AIFF & star-trek-theme

In IM Digest #272, Ertugrul Gokcen asks about a program that will play /info-
mac/sound/orig-star-trek-theme.hqx.  Such a program exists at Info-Mac Sumex:


Subject: [*] SFRecord-SFPlay.cpt.hqx

Accompanying this is a Compactored, binhexed file containing two little
programs which enable you to record large sounds to disk and to play them back
(size limited by disk space).


[Archived as /info-mac/sound/program/sf-record-play.hqx; 15K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:16:23 -0800
From: Jerry Wilcox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Alternatives to Chooser (A)

One "alternative" I haven't seen mentioned is available if you have
Quickeys. The "Choosy" extension allows you to tie a keystroke to any
chooser-selectable printer. I have "Choosy"s set up for all of the printers
I use regularly - change is just a keystroke away.
-----
Jerry Wilcox - [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:50:02 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: American Sign Language

There once was a hypercard stack that could be used to teach American Sign
Language.  Some believe that it was called fingerspell.hqx.

In any event, is there a sign language package available today???

[e-mail]         Mitre Corporation, McLean Virginia

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:34:49 WET
From: Terence Mc Goff <[e-mail]>
Subject: An open Letter to Apple

I feel that the time has come for Apple users to speak out.
As a dedicated Macintosh user for nearly nine years (I even have a LISA,
I feel that Apple has finally flipped it. Apple owes more to its users
than any other computer firm. We have consistently bought
hardware that by any benchmark is vastly over-priced. Apple
justified this for many years by saying that the cost of its
machines was justified by the Operating System, the user
interface, ease of use, power of graphics, and so on, and we agreed.
But today,their machines are still over-priced, and Apple is now making
a determined attempt to screw their established user base
(the people that have pushed Macs for years for free for Apple)
by charging for The new Operating System (7.1).

Apple's argument about user interfaces is no longer valid.
Windows 3.1 is an acceptable GUI, and now relies heavily on
software developed originally for use on the Mac (Word for Windows, Excel,
Quark, Pagemaker, Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, etc.)
BUT you can get a 486 PC for a hell of a lot less money than
a 68030 Mac without the math co-processor (not counting
the Classic II, I'm talking about colour machines). Needless to
say, the 486 is generally a lot faster. You can buy a low-end UNIX
workstation for about $3000 now (about the price of a IIci
system), that runs at about 40 MIPS, which blows away any Mac or
PC, and the interface is getting better on these all the time.

Apple is releasing brain-dead machines at prices higher than
the machines they replace (IIvx vs. IIci), even though they are     .
a lot slower. They expect us to buy these things?

Apple is upping the licence cost for MacTCP (from $2500 (once off)
to $5000 per annum for commercial users, and something horrendous
for educational institutions, not to mention developers),
which will make the Internet community of Macintosh users suffer,
as well as users of most Ethernet and Token-ring network users.

As a Macintosh user, I think it is time to tell Apple to
GET A GRIP!
The free OS was always one of Apples selling points, and the well
suppported architechture of software extensions was a rich feature of
this.

Macintosh has always attracted a remarkable loyalty among its
users, and Apple is now doing its best to destroy this.
Charging for OS updates is okay when there are 2000 different
clones of the original platform, but when there is only one
manufacturer and one OS, it strikes me as a further meanness
on Apple's part to try to bleed its customers even more.

As a dedicated reader of Info-Mac for the past four years,
it seems to me that the list is composed of people who believe
in the Macintosh. It is now the time to tell Apple that enough
is enough. Apple will never overtake MS-DOS machines in the
sales charts. Never. Shouldn't Apple take another look at
its recent principles of operation and ask whether or not
they're worth the TeachText document they're written in?
Macintoshes have always sold themselves, and I think that
Apples' open, user-loyal attitude in the past was
one of the reasons for this. I dont want to see this change.

I have watched with increasing frustration over the past year as
Apple has dragged itself down to the level of a PC-clone maker.
It has acquired an attitude best descibed as miserly.

The Internet is a great forum for discussion and exchange of ideas,
and if other people feel the same way as I do, perhaps we should
let Apple know. Anyone have Scully's AppleLink address?

Terry Mac Goff

PS. I know that other manufacturers charge for OS updates, and for
other networking and filesharing software, but that was one
of the things that made Apple different, wasn't it?

Department of Forestry, University College Dublin, Republic of Ireland.
*[e-mail]*[e-mail]*[e-mail]*

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:05:28 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Greg Gerard)
Subject: Anybody have the list of Apple recalled HDs? (Q)

Does any body have a complete listing of the failed hard drives recalled
by Apple?  I looked in the archive but only found one about the Quantums?
I thought there were others.

At any rate, the drive is a 20 megabyte MiniScribe dated 12 September 1988.
I don't have the serial number on me at the moment, though.

If you don't have the list, but you know this is or is not one of the ones
recalled, please mail me.

thanks,
greg

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:28 GMT
From: GADDIS <SN=GADDIS%GI=DANIEL%IN=X%DDA=ID=[e-mail]>
Subject: ARA for Microcom AX, ARA and datalock (Q)

looking for ARA script
 ---------------------

Is there an AppleTalk Remote Access modem script for a Microcom AX modem?

I looked on both AppleLink and Sumex, but didn't find one.

I noticed that the Apple Modem Tool includes the Microcom AX modem in its
modem configuration options, so why didn't Apple include one for ARA?

ARA and datalock
 ---------------

We currently use a datalock to gain network access; however, I don't know of a
way to make AppleTalk Remote Access display datalock prompts or accept users
responses.  Can ARA be modified to display datalock prompts or accept users
responses before accepting user name/password verification?

A sample datalock session is encluded below:

--- DATA LOCK 4000 - Mode Select ---          (datalock prompt)
    K = TeleKey, MagnaKey, or CipherKey       (datalock prompt)
    < HOT KEY > = MicroKey or SofKey          (datalock prompt)
    P = PassKey                               (datalock prompt)
??->p                                         (prompt & user response)
                          (datalock prompt)
--- DATA LOCK 4000 - PassKey Verification --- (datalock prompt)
Please enter device number or user ID ->1234  (prompt & user response)
Challenge = 123-4567                          (datalock prompt)
Please enter response ->1212343               (prompt & user response)
--- Verification Complete ---                 (datalock prompt)


DIAL: terminalserver                          (access gained)

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Daniel
[e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:34:18 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail] (Bruce Schlobohm)
Subject: ara script for a prometheus modem (A)

Earlier I asked:
> I'm searching for an ARA script for the "Prometheus Ultima Home Office"
> modem (V.32bis, V.42, MNP, fax, etc).  The documentation for the modem
> indicates it is different from the the "Promodem Ultima.

With a pointer from a reader of this digest, (Thanks Mike!) I now know
that the "DSI 9624LE" script works just fine with this modem.
This script comes with the ARA software.  Note that there is also
a "DSI 9624LE Plus" which did not work (i.e. get connected) with
the Home Office modem.  (It might work with the "Promodem Ultima").

--
bruce schlobohm
[e-mail]

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Date: 15 Nov 92 17:01:00 EST
From: "Troen, Bruce" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bird of Prey - Romulan!

In Info-Mac Digest V10 #272:

>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: [*] bird-of-prey.hqx

>Here's the QuickTime movie every klingon has been waiting for...
>A computer generated Bird of Prey flies overhead, turns, and fires.

The bird of prey actually refers to Romulan vessela and was introduced on the
orginal Star Trek series when Mark Lenard played a Romulan captain engaged in
a
cat-and-mouse  hunt between the Enterprise and the Romulan vessel.  The
Romulan
vessel had a large bird of prey painted on the bottom.  Indeed, at the
beginning of the episode, we are informed that precious little was known about
the Romulans except that they painted these birds on their ships.
Unfortunately, the name of the episode escapes me.

The Klingons apparently stole a fair amount of Romulan technology, including
the cloaking device.  The Klingon ships are certainly shaped like attacking
birds however.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:03:49 KST
From: [e-mail] (CHUNG YOUNG HO)
Subject: Booting problem

Hi !
I have IIci machine. When I come to my office in the morning, I turn on my
computer using the on-off switch on the keyboard.
But at first the question mark is appeared. so I have to turn it off using
main switch behind the system.
After that the system operates properly.
I have to see the question mark every morning. Is there any advice about
that?
thanks in advance.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:18:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Tim Lesher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Check printing fraud

Many people may not know this, but a check doesn't have to have magnetic
ink to be legal and valid.  If I remember correctly, the only requirements
for a legal check are:

1. Payor name
2. Payee name (must be a legal entity)
3. Amount in written and numeric form
4. Date
5. Signature of payor
6. Name and account number of financial institution

In other words, you could write a legal, cashable check on a cocktail
napkin, as long as the above rules were satisfied.  (This just means that
it can be legally cashed.  I wouldn't suggest ditching your checkbook and
using Post-Its or anything. :) )

A check doesn't have to be magnetically coded.  How do you think they
wrote checks before the (rather recent) use of magnetic readers?

         Tim Lesher  <[e-mail]>
% cat murphy.law
Murphy's law:  "Whatever can go wrong, w
Segmentation fault: core dumped.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:58:31 PST
From: Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject: Check printing fraud (C)

> They sell CheckPrint, a kit which includes software and a
>magnetic toner cartridge, all for $349.  Now anyone can
>produce a check!

>I hope I'm not being paranoid, but doesn't this open the door to
>a lot of fraud?!

Isn't desktop publishing wonderful! :-)

Producing a piece of paper that looks like a check has never been that big
of a problem on the Mac. The door to fraud was been open for quite a long
time.

This product doesn't do anything to increase the production of false
checks. What it does do is give someone the option of printing checks that
will be processed by banks. I could make a check but my bank could not
process it. Now with this product I can make my own checks AND have my bank
be able to process them. I think this product opens the door to legitimacy.

IMHO,
Kee
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:43:28 PST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Check printing fraud (Q?)

>I received today one of those card decks.  While browsing, I noticed
>this card from a company named Aatrix Software, Inc.  They sell
>CheckPrint, a kit which includes software and a magnetic toner
>cartridge, all for $349.  Now anyone can produce a check!

>I hope I'm not being paranoid, but doesn't this open the door to
>a lot of fraud?!  I was just curious about this issue, and wondered
>what other people in netland thought about it...  Comments
>actively sought!  :-)

First, I don't speak for Xerox.  My opinions are my own.  Nothing expressed
herein is Xerox policy or opinion, official or otherwise.

Second, I wrote the training course that teaches Xerox 4197 MICR Laser Printer
Customer Service Engineers how to repair the desktop 4197 MICR printer (yes, a
small desktop printer designed to print checks), and how to design checks.
I'm
not a MICR expert, but my involvement with MICR goes back two years now.

I was in Webster, NY two years ago when paper trays were being hand carried
>From Japan to Webster for registration testing.  Yes, the printer is designed
to feed paper far more accurately than the run-of-the-mill desktop laser
printer.  Is that necessary?  Xerox tells customers to check registration each
time the paper tray is loaded during a check run.  Registration is also to be
checked before running checks.  So yes!  Why?  The American National Standards
Institute (ANSI), X9 Secretariat American Bankers Association (ABA) Print
Specifications for Magnetic Ink Character Recognition (MICR).  The Xerox 4197
MICR Laser Printer comes with a special MICR Gauge and 8x MICR comparator.
Why?  To verify that the MICR line and every character on the line falls
exactly where it is supposed to according to spec.  If a check fails the
banking system (up to 20 passes through high speed reader/sorters), you, the
printer of that check could be charged $2.50 to $7.50 for each bad check.
Before the first check fails, and you are notified, you could print a couple
hundred, or more, problem checks.  The cost of just one batch of bad checks
could more than offset anything you could possibly save by printing on plain
paper!  Keep in mind we are only taking about registration so far - having the
MICR characters and symbols appear in the clear band area of the check in just
the right spaces according to ANSI standards.  We are not talking about
character skew, spots, configuration, tolerances, voids, extraneous ink,
debossment, signal level, format, paper, ink, or check design yet, all of
which
can cause a check to fail.  And, we are not yet talking about printing a plain
paper check that is easier to tamper with than a check printed on expensive
safety paper.

Some other issues:  Nothing but the MICR line can be printed with MICR ink in
the clear band area on the check.  No border, no signature, nothing!  If you
are using MICR toner, EVERYTHING on the check is printed with MICR ink!  Thus
the signature you want the printer to do, as well as that nice border must
go.
Print them with MICR ink, and they will cause the check to fail.  Print on
normal 20 pound paper and the check may not physically survive all of the
reader/sorters the banks and clearing houses use to sort and route checks.  If
you use 24 pound paper the check will do better physically, but if you don't
use safety paper your check could be changed with a simple eraser.  How about
the design of the check (or, how good is the software in satisfying all ANSI
standards).  Is the MICR line placed correctly?  Can it be adjusted - fine
tuned.  Are the symbols and characters spaced and placed correctly?  Do you
have the correct information to put in the transit, on-us, and amount fields?
Do you have a MICR gauge to check your checks as they come flying out of your
printer on plain paper?  (How else will you know if your checks are good.)

As to fraud:  Fraud is popular, especially in this economy.  Copying stocks,
bonds and even greenbacks is popular among hi-tech jerks.  But fraud is only
good if you don't get caught. So the real expert bad guys won't print a check
on plain paper.  They'll do the job so no one can tell.  The expert bad guys
will know more about MICR printing than I do.  Only dumb bad guys will print
checks on plain paper.

If you get the idea that printing checks is not as simple as it sounds, good!
Want to print checks?  Ask lots of questions.  Be an expert first.

The Aatrix kit?  Haven't seen it.  Can't say one thing about it, good or bad.
What I will say is this - you had better know what you are doing or the
banking
system will get you and bury you in reject check fees.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:16:54 -0800
From: Jerry Wilcox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Check printing fraud (R)

[e-mail] (Hisham A. Abboud) writes:
>I received today one of those card decks.  While browsing, I noticed
>this card from a company named Aatrix Software, Inc.  They sell
>CheckPrint, a kit which includes software and a magnetic toner
>cartridge, all for $349.  Now anyone can produce a check!
>
>I hope I'm not being paranoid, but doesn't this open the door to
>a lot of fraud?!  I was just curious about this issue, and wondered
>what other people in netland thought about it...  Comments
>actively sought!  :-)

I don't know about paranoid, but this is simply the downsizing of something
that big corporations have been able to do for some time. Major laser
printers, like the Xerox 9700, have been used to print checks for several
years now.
-----
Jerry Wilcox - [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:34:10 EST
From: Larry Wink <[e-mail]>
Subject: comp.binaries.mac archive

I posted this last week in Info-Mac Digest V10 #270 and received no replies,
perhaps due to delivery problems with the issue, so I'll try again.

While looking for a recent post to comp.binaries.mac, a search of archie
revealed the following sites to be archiving comp.binaries.mac:

     Host isfs.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp   (130.54.20.1)
     Host imag.imag.fr   (129.88.32.1)
     Host ftp.waseda.ac.jp   (133.9.1.32)
     Host cs.dal.ca   (129.173.4.5)
     Host cnam.cnam.fr   (192.33.159.6)
     Host srawgw.sra.co.jp   (133.137.4.3)
     Host reseq.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de   (129.187.230.225)
     Host nic.funet.fi   (128.214.6.100)
     Host irisa.irisa.fr   (131.254.254.2)
*    Host wuarchive.wustl.edu   (128.252.135.4)
*    Host rascal.ics.utexas.edu   (128.83.138.20)
     Host akiu.gw.tohoku.ac.jp   (130.34.8.9)

Only two (*) are located in the USA and they are no longer actively archiving
the newsgroup (rascal stopped about 6 months ago and wuarchive simply mirrors
rascal and other archives).

Since not all postings to comp.binaries.mac end up at sumex-aim and the
bandwidth for international traffic is limited, I would like to know if there
are any USA sites that are currently archiving comp.binaries.mac?

If the archie search is correct, what are the chances of umich or sumex-aim
(after the new hard drive is on-line) archiving the newsgroup?

Please e-mail information to me and I will summarize for info-mac if there is
sufficient interest.

 --Larry Wink
 [e-mail] or [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 15 Nov 1992 01:26:46 -0600 (CST)
From: "William M. Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: compression data correction

In a somewhat impertinent appendix to his note announcing the posting of Ars
Magna (for which posting I am grateful), [e-mail] added the
following:

   > Philisophical compression discusssion. I tried archiving this with
   > Stuffit 1.5.1, 1.6(Classic) and Compact Pro 1.33.
   >
   >     Results:
   >     Compact Pro      122K
   >     Stufit 1.5.1     131K
   >     Stuffit 1.6      126K
   >
   > I personally prefer Compact Pro. The size difference was so small,
   > however, that I used Stuffit 1.5.1. Why? Because it is widely
   > distributed, and a lot of communications software (Fetch, Downline,
   > etc) will automatically unstuff 1.5.1 archives. I'd like to see
   > more communications software support Compact Pro, since it has a
   > better interface (IMHO) and often creates smaller archives.

Here's more news: a Quadra is faster than a Mac Plus. :-)

Anyway, Compact Pro is a very nice program, I agree; but the versions of
StuffIt that LJONES used for his "test" are not the latest versions, so the
test doesn't seem to me either fair or useful. With StuffIt Deluxe 3.0.2, the
binary file was compressed to 119K--three kilobytes smaller than the Compact
Pro archive LJONES created (above); the hexed version of the file (again,
bin-hexed with SD 3.0.2 came to 163K--considerably smaller than the 179K size
of the file as posted.

Before I archive any file I've downloaded in Compact Pro format, I recompress
every it in StuffIt Deluxe format. I usually save anywhere from five to twenty
percent disk space by doing so.

BTW, StuffIt Deluxe creates archives that can be opened by StuffIt Expander.
And (BTW #2) I don't know whether the latest shareware version of StuffIt that
is out there (3.?) will compress files as efficiently as StuffIt Deluxe, but I
am under the impression that it uses the same algorithm, so it ought to, no?

William Porter / University of Houston
No: I don't work for Aladdin.

------------------------------

Date: 15 Nov 92 08:37:00 CST
From: "Jeffrey S. Berman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: DAT Drives (Q)

I am planning to purchase a DAT drive and have narrowed the choice to
two possibilities:

APS Compression DAT (Archive mechanism)
Third Wave DATadrive (Hewlett-Packard 35480A mechanism)

Has anyone on the digest had good/bad experiences with the vendors or
with these specific drives?  I am also interested in any comments
concerning (a) sound levels when the drives are on, (b) whether they can
be turned off without disrupting the rest of the SCSI chain, and (c)
whether the cases are metal or plastic.

-Jeff Berman
 [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 15 Nov 92 17:19:00 EST
From: "Troen, Bruce" <[e-mail]>
Subject: De-compression by comm programs

In IM Digest #272, [e-mail] writes:

>     I personally prefer Compact Pro. The size difference was so small,
>however, that I used Stuffit 1.5.1. Why? Because it is widely distributed,
>and a lot of communications software (Fetch, Downline, etc) will
>automatically unstuff 1.5.1 archives. I'd like to see more communications
>software support Compact Pro, since it has a better interface (IMHO) and
>often creates smaller archives.

    Fetch, GopherApp, and TurboGopher all support System 7 links to both
Compact Pro and Stuffit.  Consequently, with System 7, if you download either
a
X.cpt or X.sit file, those comm programs will open the appropriate compression
program to de-archive the file.  I don't believe that Fetch actually truly
unstuffs files.  However, these programs do automatically convert a BinHex
ascii file to the appropriate Mac binary file which can then be de-compressed
with the appropriate software.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:09:20 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Derek Butcher)
Subject: Desktop rebuild problems and NEC Driver

In answer to the post regarding losing icons when rebuilding desktop:
    It has been my experience that certain applications that need to
be installed will lose their icons when rebuilding the desktop; a common
example of this is After Dark. To regain icons, move program onto desktop
and rebuild again; then return app to whereever it goes. (so for Afterdark,
you would remove from control panels to desktop and back again) This will
also restore all icons for documents or related files to that app.

Does anyone know if and where the new NEC driver for the CDR74 has been
posted?
I seem to recall reading something about some bugs in the earlier
version and a lot of trouble getting anything from NEC sometime this century.
I'm sure it is public domain.

Also, what exactly is the difference between packages like Key Fonts (100
fonts
for $49) and Apple Fonts (~20 fonts for $69)? I seem to recall somebody saying
it was more ethical to buy the "real thing" because this gives royalties to
the maker, but does this apply to Apple Pack, and is it the only reason to
spend $20 more?

------------------------------

Date: 14 Nov 92 18:59:21 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Disappearing Files

...are back!! (*GONE that is*)
The mac lab that I work at has all new macs (LC,IIsi,IIci) and are running
7.0.1 with Tuneup 1.1. Users are using Microsoft Word 5.0. On two occassions
files have "disappeared" from two different diskettes. The first occurance was
solved by moving to another computer and copying files onto a new diskette.
The second time (different disk/computer) the problem only got worse with
each move.  I used Disk First Aid and it reported it was unable to read the
disk. Norton Disk Editor said there were 11 files, displayed 3. Norton Disk
Doctor said there were several errors (directory,b-tree,invalid info &
dates).
I am curious in knowing if anyone else has had this problem with 7.0.1...
Note: as of yet no one has contacted me about disappearing files on the hard
drve.

[e-mail]
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 22:14:26 MST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: DW paper

Hi you don't know me.
  I was wonder if you have heard of a way to get a DeskWriter to pause after
each printed page is spit out so that I can flip it and print on the
backside.
Main my objective is simply saving paper, nothing special. So far I've been
doing it manually "Print Page 1 to 1", "Print Page 2 to 2" and so one until
I'm done. Can you think of a better way, is there some clever software, or
if not, maybe thats a good idea for a little utility. It probably applies to
laser printers too (the worst offenders with their virtually useless 'cover
pages' printed when switched on).

Any feedback would be helpful.

Nicholas Tripcevich

[e-mail]

Thanks
!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11:59:03 EST
From: Christopher Cotton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Email Lists, and other cool hacks...

Hello everyone,

I was just trying to gather a list of people's favorite email lists (yes, I
know I can just list everything in listserv)  BUT I want
interesting mailing lists.

Like the sci-fi lovers, info-mac, etc...  anytype of public list...  so
just send me your favorite (not all, just the best).

Also if you know of any cool addresses where you can send mail and get
something back...  like a email fortune server, the usenet oracle, etc.
Send me those too.


Thanks,

.chris

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 14:30:15 PST
From: Les Ferch <[e-mail]>
Subject: EtherNet/LocalTalk (A)

Software Solutions For Accessing a LocalTalk Connected LaserWriter While
on Ethernet:

1. Use a software router such as the Apple Internet Router or Liasson from
Farallon. This works, but requires a considerable amount of processing
power, so expect your Mac to slow down. Both products are commercial.

2. Use a software bridge to connect a small LocalTalk segment to
EtherTalk. This requires less overhead than a router. Sonic Systems makes
such a product. Details below.

3. Change the LaserWriter connection from LocalTalk to serial. You will
need a Mac to modem cable with a null modem adapter plugged into the
LaserWriter's serial port and switch the LaserWriter to serial mode. The
downside of this approach is slower throughput for some files and only one
user. To make it work you need to modify the LaserWriter driver to use a
serial connection. Get the following from sumex.stanford.edu:

   info-mac/util/dmm-lw-7-stuff-131.hqx  (for LaserWriter 7)
   info-mac/util/dmm-lw-56-stuff-131.hqx (for LaserWriter 5 and 6)


EtherBridge Information

The following software-only solutions, for bridging Ethernet and
LocalTalk, were demonstrated and sold at the Mactivity conference in July.
LaserBridge should do what you want. In the following, "Show" refers to
the Mactivity show price.

          EtherBridge Series from Sonic Systems

Product       Description                                Retail   Show

LaserBridge   Allows up to 5 LocalTalk printers to be     $199    $100
          shared on Ethernet

PowerBridge   Allows any Mac to be connected to Ethernet   149      75

SuperBridge   Allows up to 5 Macs and/or LocalTalk         249     125
          printers to be connected to Ethernet

Sonic Systems
333 W. El Camino Real #280
Sunnyvale, CA 94087
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 09:30:08 +0000
From: [e-mail] (Ben Fowler)
Subject: EtherNet/LocalTalk (C)

> I understand a software product (Apple InterNet Router, from APDA) will
> magically let me keep access to my localtalked Personal LWNT while
> ethernet is active. Could one of you experts explain how that works from
> the perspective of a terrified ancient and decrepit user? Is LaserBridge
> similar/superior? How does one actually install/use any of this stuff?

AIR does more than that, and it is moderately expensive. Laserbridge is the
specific answer to this problem. Version 1.3 is most reliable, and whilst I
am sure that one day delicate oriental hands will something easier to use,
installation of LaserBridge means copying it to the System Folder, and
using it means turning on the Mac that is connected to the printer via its
LocalTalk port. (There are a few adjustments that you can make with the
LaserBridge control panel). IANAE, but I am a satisfied user of
LaserBridge.

Ben Fowler,
Troublemaker, saboteur and mole

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:26:14 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Peter Van Schevensteen)
Subject: Excel file format

Can anyone please tell me where I can find the Excel file
format?  I wish to write applications that can manipulate
Excel worksheets.

Thank you very much!

-Peter VS, [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:50 CST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Fake bomb "joke"

While I agree with what Michael McGuire seems to be inplying in his post -
ie:
that fake bombs are not always particularly funny or good - I DISAGREE that
they should not be posted on in the archives.  These "jokes" have been around
since the first Mac really bombed, and I don't think censoring the archives
will change the situation.  You can even get them from internationally
known Mac authors, such as Bob LeVitus (in his book "Stupid Mac Tricks").
This doesn't mean that it's good or right - but does show that censoring our
archives probably doesn't help.

Like all practical jokes, if you feel you MUST use them, use them with
caution.
If someone gets "bombed" by your joke and panics and does a cold restart, then
they COULD actually damage their system.  Then it's not very funny any more.

But censoring the archives is not the answer!

Steve Jones
Assistant Professor of Design & Technology
Middle Tennessee State University

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 22:36:29 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Brian Gaeke)
Subject: Fake Bomb Joke (C)

Oh, come *on*! Lighten up!

      _*
   __/
  /  \  Sorry, a system error has occurred.
  |  |
  \__/  ID=EVIL FLAMER ERR   (Restart)

Brian Gaeke, The Dimensional Gate, Inc.  Internet: [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 02:20 EST
From: PC Coordinator <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fake Bomb Joke (C)

In a previous article, [e-mail] (Michael A. McGuire) wrote:
>
>>Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:30:49 GMT+13:32
>>From: Kenji Takeuchi <[e-mail]>
>>Subject: [*] Personal Bomb! 1.0.1
>>
>>Version 1.0.1.
>>Personal Bomb! is a small program which displays a fake but
>>real looking System Error alert with your name on it.
>>Check it out!  Great joke!
>>
>>System 6 compatible, System 7 Savvy.
>>
>>[Archived as /info-mac/misc/personal-bomb-101.hqx; 9K]
>
>FLAME ON.
>
>This kind of thing is not a joke and should NOT be in the archives.
>
>Michael McGuire, UTCC :-<
>
Try the after dark module "reality."  Does the same thing.


And, this absolutely should NOT be censored from the archives.  If you don't
want it, dont download it.  It's not like its a virus, or anything, all it
does is display a window when you run it.  Real dangerous.

                    Loren Finkelstein
                    [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:45:53 -0800
From: Justin D. Bukowski <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fax modem info/reviews wanted

I've become interested in purchasing a modem with at least
send fax capability. Receiving might be nice, too. I'd like a
source of information and/or reviews on what's available. I've
looked in the archives and found some recommendations but I'd like
to know more. Some specific questions:

How are fax modems different from normal modems? Software only or
do they have special hardware? (ROMs, etc?)
Are they reliable for transmission? What about receiving?
How does speed compare to a stand-alone fax machine?
What software is available? Recommendations?
Can a modem be set up to pick up on incoming calls, scan for a fax
transmission signal, and if none, let the call through to an
answering machine? If so, what software and hardware is required?

Please reply through e-mail or to the digest. Pointers to discussions
on the net or in the Mac magazines would be appreciated. If I get
a decent amount of information I'll compile a report for the archives.

Thanks.
Justin Bukowski   [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:32:14 CET
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<[e-mail]>
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 17:15:23 EST
From: [e-mail] (Hisham A. Abboud)
Subject: FrameMaker on "Sale"

Frame Technologies is offering a competitive upgrade for all
users of word processors, graphic packages, DTP software, etc.
It's 50% off.  MacWarehouse has it for $319, instead of the
$600 they usually charge (syggested retail is $800).

Just thought I'd let everyone know, especially that Frame is
not doing a particularily great job of advertising the
upgrade.  My copy just arrived yesterday, along with a letter
saying it was out of stock!  :-)

Standard disclaimers apply.  No connection to Frame whatsover,
except for having been impressed with the demo they sent me
and having gotten quite positive feedback from netters on
info-mac.

                Hisham.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:44:56 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Russ Arcuri)
Subject: IIsi memory problems

Terry,

Regarding your problems with the IIsi and memory problems:

You have to be SURE that 32 bit addressing is indeed turned on.  After
turning it on in the control panel, you have to reboot.

Second, check to make sure that your disk cache isn't set to something
ridiculous, like 8 megs.  That could cause the System to take up an
inordinantly large amount of RAM.

Good luck,
Russ Arcuri
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 21:36:40 -0600 (CST)
From: John Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #272

>No mention of availability. I also think that if it is competitive with the
>IBM 6000 chip now, then Motorola better really hustle to stay competitive two
>years from now, when the Power PC will be really coming out.

I think this piece (about the Motorola 68060 chip) is mistaken because
Motorola will manufacture the PowerPC chip.  There supposedly is a group
working on it right now in Austin, TX.  I don't think Motorola needs to
compete with itself.   Also, Apple's implementation of the PowerPC will
have a 68020 emulator, according to a recent MacUser.

John Fox
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 15 Nov 92 17:18:00 EST
From: "Troen, Bruce" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #272

In IM Digest #272, [e-mail] writes:

>     I personally prefer Compact Pro. The size difference was so small,
>however, that I used Stuffit 1.5.1. Why? Because it is widely distributed,
>and a lot of communications software (Fetch, Downline, etc) will
>automatically unstuff 1.5.1 archives. I'd like to see more communications
>software support Compact Pro, since it has a better interface (IMHO) and
>often creates smaller archives.

    Fetch, GopherApp, and TurboGopher all support System 7 links to both
Compact Pro and Stuffit.  Consequently, with System 7, if you download either
a
X.cpt or X.sit file, those comm programs will open the appropriate compression
program to de-archive the file.  I don't believe that Fetch actually truly
unstuffs files.  However, these programs do automatically convert a BinHex
ascii file to the appropriate Mac binary file which can then be de-compressed
with the appropriate software.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92   8:43 BST
From: Latif Yahya - CSD - WRCC
<[e-mail]>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #272

Is there any sharewere QuickTime player available? Or do I have to buy the
whole
 package to see any of the animations created on it?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:10 BST
From: Richard Lim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Intellidraw bug?

I wonder if anybody else can recreate this behaviour, which I believe to be
a bug, in Aldus Intellidraw 1.0.
Import a PICT file - it can be anything as long as it contains a bitmapped
image rather than objects; a simple screendump will do just fine.  Now
save your document as a different PICT file without making any changes.  Do
you see a vast increase in file size?  For example a 100k screendump
suddenly swells out to 1 Mb?
This behaviour does not occur with documents created exclusively in
Intellidraw, nor with imported PICTs that contain objects only.
If you do see this feature/bug, please let me know - and if anybody can give
me an Applelink address for Aldus Technical Support I'd be most grateful too.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:41:32 -0500 (EST)
From: "Dr. K. V. Rao" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jasmine Drive problem

I would like to seek expert opinion before dumping my hard disk for good.
This direct drive (external) by Jasmine crashed more than 6 times in the
last three years and everytime I've to reformat that and loose all the
stuff. Recently it crashed again when I was trying to rebuild the
desktop. I used Drive7 Software to format the same few months back. With
a CP emergency disk, I could able to write an emergency driver and mount
the same. Since then it is working (for the last 10 days). This morning it
failed to mount. I've to use emergency disk again to mount the disk.

What's going on with this disk? Is this a sign of slow dying? I don't have
any imp. stuff on this drive, but would like to keep it as virtual memory
base or some extra storage for handy tools.

I am using system 7.0.1 on IISi with an internal drive and the above
external drive. Internal has system folder and work files whereas external
has all my applications.

Thanks for your help.

K. V. Rao

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:00:28 MST
From: [e-mail] (Shannon V Spires)
Subject: Laserbridge (Ethernet/Localtalk)

Al Bloom writes:

> I understand a software product (Apple InterNet Router, from APDA)
> will magically let me keep access to my localtalked Personal LWNT
> while ethernet is active. Could one of you experts explain how that
> works from the perspective of a terrified ancient and decrepit user?
> Is LaserBridge similar/superior? How does one actually install/use
> any of this stuff?

LaserBridge does it with much less memory and CPU overhead than AIR.
LaserBridge is an Extension. Just drop it in your Extensions folder
and reboot. It is so simple it doesn't even have a control panel.
Once it's installed, you can see your Localtalk printer and your
Ethernet printers simultaneously. However, it does have some
problems you should beware of:

First, other people on the net can see your Localtalk printer and
print to it. This could be an advantage or disadvantage depending on
your needs. If they are depending on being able to print
to your Localtalk printer, remember that your Mac must be on or they
can't see your printer.

Second, you MUST NOT have any Localtalk devices on your Localtalk
net except printers. If you put a Powerbook on your Localtalk net
(for example), all hell will break loose (translation: you won't be
able to print from either Mac, and you won't be able to use the
Localtalk net to transfer files between them either.) You have to
reboot your Mac without Laserbridge to use your Localtalk net with
non-printers on it, and then of course you won't be able to see your
Ethernet.

If you can live with this, Laserbridge works fine.
-Shannon
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 07:44:47 -0500
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <[e-mail]>
Subject: LaserWriter Repair Money Saving Tips

I'm gonna tell you a story and then wax a bit philosophical.

Last week my old trusy LaserWriter Plus (original list price $7995; current
resale value used about $750 to a dealer, if you're lucky) began printing
every page with an odd blotch about an inch in from the left side. The spot
on the page varied vertically, but it was always an inch in. I looked at
the roller on the fuser assembly and saw a gouge in roughly the same shape
and position as the problem blotch. So I lugged my LW+ into my cheerful
Apple authorized reseller for a repair.

The technician agreed with my diagnosis and said that since the cause of
the problem was so obvious it would not be necessary to run the standard
$75 diagnostic test. Clearly, all that was needed was a new roller. How
much was that? A mere $424 (including labor) he replied. Seemed a bit high
for a roller, but the technician explained that Apple does not permit the
replacement of the roller. It requires that the whole fuser assembly be
replaced. It is impossible to order just a roller from Apple!

I looked through Computer Shopper and noticed an ad from Pre-Owned
Electronics, Inc. (800-274-5343). The friendly salesperson sold me a
reconditioned (90 day warranty) fuser assembly for $199 plus $8 shipping,
and promised a $50 refund if I returned the damaged assembly from my own LW
to them. The reconditioned part was fine, but since I'm a klutz I had my
usual cheerful Apple technician do the swap for his usual cheerful $70
minimum labor charge.

When I brought the LW+ back home, I was priding myself in my consumer
expertise and money-saving abilities. (Doesn't this story make me seem real
knowledgeable so far?) But--yes, you've guessed it. As I happily printed
the first page after the repair, I noticed the same blotch in the same
area. Turns out the problem was with the toner cartridge, not the roller.
Putting in a new cartridge eliminated the problem.

Moral: You do have an alternative to Apple repair prices; check around.
Moral: Try another cartridge before assuming you really have an LW hardware
problem.

Anyone want a perfectly good LW fuser assembly with an ugly mark on the
roller that affects nothing? I've got a spare (seems silly to return it for
a $50 credit when there's nothing wrong with it).

Jeff Needleman  <[e-mail]>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:03:38 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Martin Josso)
Subject: Locking Volume names?

Is there a way to lock the names of hard-disk volumes? They were created
with Silverlining if it makes any difference.

                Martin Josso, [e-mail]
                Wayne State University, Detroit

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 09:33:16 PST
From: Mr Bill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Looking for a 50 cycle UPS

I am looking for an Uninterruptable Power Supply with European and U.S.
inputs ( 50 and 60 cycle, voltage not important).

Anyone out there have a suggestion and/or experience ??

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 22:35 EDT
From: RICH FRIEDMAN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mac Games for Kids

Some friends are coming to visit for Thanksgiving.  I am interested in
programs
that might be fun for a 6 year old (their kid).  I know about KidPix.  Are
there any other Shareware/Freeware programs for kids?

Thanks
-Rich
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 16 Nov 92 16:54:00 EST
From: "Troen, Bruce" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacMoney

In Info-Mac Digest V10 #270 there are two opposing views of MacMoney.  Here's
a third opinion:

    We've been using MacMoney for close to three years and began
encountering significant problems when we started using System 7.  MacMoney
would corrupt it own files and then be unable to use them properly.  Often
this
resulted in MacMoney and system crashes.  Repeated contact with Survivor
software suggests that they are aware of the problem, but really do not
understand it.  Indeed at one point I was told that certain error messages we
received were impossible!  They didn't want to accept that critical system bus
and/or memory errors were being precipitated by their software.  We received
two successive upgrades, neither of which solved the problem.  The final work-
around suggested by Survivor was to return to System 7.0 and stay away from
7.01.  They claimed that 7.01 was actually buggy in some routines and that our
problems were actually the fault of Apple.

    The method to fix the corrupt files in not to be found in the manual -
I'm disappointed, because it's almost as if they think their users are too
stupid have this info easily available.  There is a "semi-hidden" feature that
allows you to rebuild and recalculate the files that involves depressing both
the option & command keys when pulling down the edit menu.

    They've promised a major upgrade for close to 8 months now.  I'm
certainly not holding my breath.

    The bottom line: we're not too happy, but switching to another system
would be a lot of work.  Managing Your Money version 5 has just been released
at very inexpensive mail-order prices, but the ads do not mention if it can
import MacMoney files (it apparently can import Quicken files).

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 18:41:14 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Microsoft Word 4.0 double pages

Is there any way to make double pages using MS Word?  I want to print two
pages (portrait style) on an 11 x 8.5" page and have Word number the
pages (i.e. pages #1 and #2 will appear side-by-side on one sheet of
paper).

I think that I may have to get a page layout program to do this
though... Any suggestions re: Quark v. Pagemaker?

Thanks in advance for any help.

              Dan.
Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC

------------------------------

Date: 15 Nov 1992 18:01:52 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Robert E. Winston)
Subject: Minor Finder problems (A)

  > 1) The Views CP settings return to their defaults.
  >
  > 2) The checkbox in the Trash "Get Info" window ("Warn Before
  > Emptying") returns to its default "On" value.
  >
  > How can I make my choices stick?

The Views and Trash settings are kept in the Finder Pref file which is in
the Preferences folder inside the System folder. Your Finder Pref file is
corrupt.

Drag it to the trash and restart. The Finder will create a new one.
Then reset Views and Trash one last time.

------------------------------

Date: 15 Nov 1992 13:24:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Me? Graduated? Nope. Not yet." <[e-mail]>
Subject: missing icons

>Setup: SE/30, Sys 7.0.1 tune-up, 5 Mg RAM, 240 Meg ext HD partitioned in
>four volumes. Various documents and aliases on desktop.

>1) Action: reboot. Result: icons for desktop documents and aliases which
>actually reside on volume 3 are gone.  Double-clicking still opens the
>right app so bundles are ok.
>2) Action: force the Finder to quit with Command-option-ESC. Result: icons
>return (even though I do *not* rebuild the desktop).
>3) Action: reboot, this time rebuilding the desktop. Result: icons return.
>4) Action: immediately reboot. Result: go to step 1.
>Any ideas?
>Stephen& Therese Humphrey                       [e-mail]

     It sounds to me as if your desktop file is corrupted. (2 desktop files
under System 6, 1 under System 7.) A normal desktop rebuild doesn't rebuild
your desktop file, it only updates it. I had a problem like yours (rebuild-
ing the desktop restored icons until next restart) and was able to solve it
by deleting my desktop file. The system will automatically write a new one.

Here's how:
1)Quit all applications.
2)Hold down command and option and touch the escape key.
3)A dialog will ask if you want to force quit the Finder. While holding
down the command and option keys, click "Force Quit."
4)A second dialog will ask if you want to rebuild the desktop. Click OK.
5)After force quitting the Finder and rebuilding, some experts say the
system is in an unstable condition, and you should restart to play it safe.
It can't hurt.

     An easier way to recreate a desktop file is with Fifth Generation
System's Desktop Reset (aka DT Reset) a freeware extension available in the
info-mac/ex directory of sumex-aim as desktop-reset.hqx. With this
extension installed and the system rebooted, a normal rebuild will delete
your desktop file and force the system to write the file from scratch.
     Best of all, DT Reset doesn't load at startup unless you hold down
command and option, so it uses no memory unless it's used. Fifth Generation
Systems did a service to the Mac community by releasing this as freeware.

Leslie Jones, UT Knoxville


------------------------------

Date: 16 Nov 92 08:19:40 U
From: "Tom Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mystery file in Apple Menu

     Mystery file in Apple Menu Items (A)
Steve Satre <[e-mail]> asks:

>I just noticed an item in my Apple Menu Items list for which
>there is no corresponding file in the Apple Menu Items folder.
>The item in question is Language Maker which is a component of the
>Voice Navigator system.  Several months ago I was trying to help
>a customer figure out the Voice Navigator and I installed the software
>on my IIfx.  The Voice Navigator is long since gone and just today I
>was doing some housecleaning and noticed the Language Maker item.
>But there was no such file in the Apple Menu Items folder!  I even
>checked for an invisible file using ResEdit: nothing.

>Does anyone know what has happened and how I can get rid of this
>item.  Note: Since the Voice Navigator software has been deleted
>from my disk, if I invoke Language Maker from the Apple menu, my
>Mac crashes.

To which I query:

Have you switched to System 7 since you installed the Voice Navigator
software?  If so, the errant DA might be hiding within the System file
itself.  Check by double-clicking on the System file to open it up.

As an anecdote, once I was upgrading someone to System 7 and then
reinstalling QuickMail.  After all this was done, I rebooted, and
something very strange happened....he had 2 QuickMail entries under
his Apple menu, but only one showed up in his Apple Menu Items folder.
The System file was where I found the other one.

Hope this helps!   :-)

Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:40:46 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Rick Sutcliffe)
Subject: Now 4.01 troubles

      Now 4.01 troubles
I installed the NOW 4.01 update on my Mac II.  Later, because of some disk
corruption, it became necessary to back up everything and reformat my disk.
While doing this I ran from xxdisk.backup, and NOW was active from there.
Having completed the restoration of my drive, certain applications now
demand that I insert the xxdisk.backup before they will complete loading.  I
have been able to solve this for some by deleting some files from their
recent files lists.  For others, I removed them from the pull down menu and
then reinstalled them and was OK.  For others, I have gotten nowhere.  I
have trashed boomerang preferences and their own preference files all to no
avail.  NISUS now demands the xxdisk.backup four to six times before I
complete loading, even though it was not used while I was working from
xxdisk.backup.  So, what do I try now?
   BTW, I note that in the NOW menu CP, some recent apps on one of its pull
down menus include ones from my xxdisk.backup and these cannot be removed
>From these pull down lists.  Is there a way to cause NOW to reset and rescan
for applications, dropping out the onews that are no longer accessible.
Note that there is no visible problem with user pull downs, as it is easy to
remove from them.
   In addition, items that are on the various lists maintained by NOW/Boomer
appear to be marked busy by virtue of there presense on the list.  They
cannot be emptied from the trash.  This has been a problem since early
versions.  Ideas?

Rick


 Rick Sutcliffe-Trinity Western University Langley B.C. [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 00:51:20 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: NOW Utilties and WYSIWYG Font Menu Problem

On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:56:15 -0800 you said:
>>>>  I read your post about NU 4.0.1 crossing out
>>>>  WYSIWYG Menus (even though Startup Manager says
>>>>  it's active). Having just done the update myself
>>>>  and experiencing the same problem,
>
>We are both looking forward to finding the "solution" (assuming someone
>knows what's going on).

I had that the first time I restarted with NU 4.0.1.  WYSIWYG was unhappy
because Suitcase II hadn't loaded (I changed the load order) and it
apparently didn't find fonts (there were some in System itself) to play
with.  I shuffled the load order around and haven't had any trouble since.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:23:17 MET
From: [e-mail] (Jean-Philippe NICAISE)
Subject: Personnal LaserWriter LS upgrade: that's impossible !

Sorry for every PLW LS owners, but I was wrong: there is no upgrade
program for the PLW LS printer in France. This is for the PLW SC.
Same for the USA. An upgrade to a PLW NT or NTR is simply impossible.

Thanks to all answered me by e-mail. Again, sorry for the hopes.

Jean-Philippe

Jean-Philippe Nicaise -- French Data Network Board -- Paris, France
E-Mail: [e-mail], [e-mail] -- Fax: [phone]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:09:11 est
From: "Paco Belle (Spice, Reid)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: PM 4.2 & RIFF?

Does anyone know how I can slap RIFF pictures into a PageMaker document?  It
swings TIFFs just fine but can't seem to handle a RIFF... anyone know of any
special import filters?  I can't find a RIFF import filter on the installers
or in the extra filters on sumex...

Thanks in advance,
Reid Spice
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:34:34 JST
From: attjpn!attjp4![e-mail]
Subject: PowerBook Modem Commands (Apple Modem)

Is there any way I can get a description of ALL the commands for the original
Apple PowerBook 100/140/170 Fax/Data Modem?  I know there is a DA that
decribes
SOME of the commands but I'm looking for a command that will automatically
cause the modem to go on-hook (i.e.- hang up) after a certain amount of idle
time.

Thanks, Larry Staples

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 12:41:43 EST
From: [e-mail] (Manuel A. Perez)
Subject: Problems with SyQuests

Hello all,

I have been having some strange problems with my SyQuest
cartridges recently.  I think I have narrowed down the
situation to a specific combination of inits.  I was
wondering if anyone else has had such problems.  Here it
is.

I have had SQ drive/cartridge for over a year, and this
just started happening.  Three cartridges have gone bad
in the last 2 months.

I am running System 7.0 with the 1.1.1 Tune Up.  I use
Silverlinning for the SyQuest drivers, and also have
Complete Undelete, and Access PC (all latest versions).

The problem has occurred when Access PC is on.  I don't
know if this was a coincidence or there is a real conflict.
I do know that when Access PC is off, things work ok.  I
use the cartridges regularly, and Access PC only
occasionally.

Last night's occurance of the problem started when folders
started dissapearing from the cartridge.  It was almost
as if there was another user on a remote mac deleting files
(my machine is not on a network).  Pretty soon, the Finder
starting giving errors on the cartridge.  I unmounted the
volume, and tried to mount it again.  By then, the cartridge
was unreadable.  Norton Utilities cannot repair the cartridge.
On the previous two occasions, I was able to reformat the
cartridge, but problems reoccured.

Are the cartridges going bad?  They are no older than 1 1/2
years.  Is my drive eating cartridges for breakfast?  Or is
it an init conflict?  Please reply to me directly, and if
there is interest, I will summarize for the net.

Manuel A. Perez

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:17:14 EST
From: [e-mail] (Mel Martinez x8378)
Subject: Q700 VSO Overdrive (T)

(T) = TIP

For those of you who have Quadra700/900's and have gone overboard (like
myself)
with speed lust and installed the Newer Technology Varable Speed Overdrive,
here is a small compatiblility tip:

You may have noticed the following behavior after installing your Overdrive->
At first all seemed great.  You jacked that puppy up to well over 33 MHz and
all seemed to work just fine.  You thought:"Ahh...I am one of the lucky ones
who get to exceed 30 MHz!  Pity the poor wretches who can only pump theirs up
to 30 MHz!"  But then, as you proceeded to go about your business, you began
to
encounter the dreaded 'HANG'.  According the instructions, this meant you
probably had better tone that monster down a bit.  So reluctantly you went to
the control panel and tweeked it down.  Sometimes even that was impossible as
it too would result in a *HANG*.  You got tired of rebooting, holding down the
'D' or even the 'A' key to disable the overdrive just so you could reset it to
a lower speed.  Each time it seemed to help until eventually you tried some
new
application or command and BAMM!  The dreaded *HANG* would strike.  Chagrined,
you humbly set your speed back into the realm of the mortals at 30 MHz,
grumbling at how long it took to reboot at startup since you would have to
load
all those damn clever extensions you got from info-mac not once, but TWICE at
startup.  What a pain, you thought.  Oh, well, 30MHz for $200?  It was still
worth it!

Well, do not despair my little children of the night (Whoops! just saw
Dracula!)!

Chances are the *HANG*s were mostly being cause not by running your system too
fast but rather by extension clashes!  ["YAY!!!!" cries the gallery.]

Try the following:  Take your VSO control panel and drop it into the Extention
Folder instead.  Next put a space at the start of it's name so that it loads
before everything else (Well, almost everything.  Disinfectant still loads
first on mine, but that works out just fine, it turns out.) in the entire
system folder.  Now, when you startup, the reboot will happen right away,
saving time at startup.  This also seems to have gotten rid of all the crashes
I was getting at first.  I have gradually jacked the speed back up to 34 MHz,
at which I have run for several days without problem whatsoever.  Tomorrow I
try 35 again!

To get easy access to the VSO control panel, you can still just double click
on
it even though it is in the Extensions Folder, but better still, just make an
alias of it and put the alias in your Apple Menu, or in a subfolder of the
AppleMenu if you have hierarchical menus.  Do NOT put the alias in your
Control
Panels folder or you will have more problems.

In a nutshell:  the problems seem to be software more than hardware and are
caused by the loading of the VSO CP AFTER other CPs & Exs.  The solution is to
load it FIRST.  It seems totally benign when loaded early.  This also solves
the problem of waiting during initial startup for your extensions to load
twice
during the reboot cycle.

I have spoken to Newer Technology tech support to pass on this tip and they
agreed that this should work ok.  The guy I spoke to said that they will
probably put this suggestion in a future version of the manual.

posted: info-mac, mac-l

"---insert clever closing statement here---"

Mel Martinez
The Johns Hopkins University
Dept. of Physics
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:17 MET
From: PATRICK GROENEN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Quadra's and non 32 bit programs

A friend of mine has a Quadra and has the well known 32 bit problem:
this can be solved by switching on and off the 32 bit mode, but he
needs to restart. I remember having read in the digest that it is
possible to do this without restarting. Can anybody tell me how this
exactly works, and were to obtain the software (shareware or
commercial)?

Thanx,            Patrick Groenen
          Leiden
          The Netherlands

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:58:47 PST
From: Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject: Residential Lease (A)

>if anyone has heard of a mac legal package, please let me know.

Suggest you contact Nolo Press in Berkeley California (510) area code. They
make wonderful do it yourself legal books. I suggest you get one of their
books and type the lease in yourself. I looked at a Mac / DOS legal program
which was a bunch of word templates and it was a scary thing to behold.
Lots of templates and not nearly enough explainations to keep me from
making stupid mistakes. Nolo Press is very good about explaining why the
document is structured the way it is and how to modify it to meet your
specific needs.

As a Berkeley (people's republic of berkeley) slumlord I would like to
highly recommend Leigh Robinson's "Landlording". It's a big 8.5 x 11 yellow
paperback with lots of good information about renting out property and lots
of sample forms (Nolo Press).

My opinion only ... typical lawyer weasel clauses here ...
Kee
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 18:50:32 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Karl Wurst)
Subject: SAM 3.5 vs Disinfectant

     I received a mailing from Symantec offering the new version of SAM (3.5)
for $39.  I have been using Disinfectant, which of course has the advantage
of being free (in addition to  having a nifty Monty Pythonesque "About
Disinfectant..." box!)
     My question is:  Is there any reason for me to use SAM 3.5 over
Disinfectant?

Karl R. Wurst - [e-mail] - UCONN Computer Science & Engineering

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:25 CST
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sav-O-Matic

Does anybody know what happened to the control panel "Sav-O-Matic"?  When I
ran
the system 7.1 compatibility checker it indicated that Sav-O-Matic was
damaged.
When I tried to open the cp, it said something about a type 39 error.  Anyway,
I looked for it in the sumex archives and couldn't find it.  Does anybody know
if Sav-O-Matic is still available anywhere and if it works or not.  Thanks.

btw--Sav-O-Matic works in the background and automatically saves a backup file
for programs that don't automatically do that sort of thing.

Steve Waechter
swaechter@utmem2 (bitnet)
[e-mail] (internet)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:07:06 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Alex Hopmann)
Subject: Selling older software versions - more comments

>If I buy MacWoop version 1, and my friend does also, then, come the time
>for MacWoop version 2 and we need to buy 2 upgrades. Or do we?
>
>If one has a 'licence' to run MacWoop - then surely that should include the
>right to use the latest version - particularly when traditional upgrade
>costs are 'sold' to the users by saying that they are 'mostly packaging'.
>Of course one can argue (and lawyers would do so until they were blue in
>the face) that this is not the case, that an 'upgrade' is really just a new
>product that the company is selling you for a discount price. However, if
>that is true, then you still own a licence to use the earlier version which
>you can therefore do with as you please (since the two versions are
>different products).
Responding not as a legal expert, but as a software developer, I would say
that when a company offers an upgrade and charges for it, they are offering
you an improved product, not a "fix", OR a "new product at a discount
price". The deal made between you and the company is this: They give you a
discount on the improved version and you give back your license on the
older version. Hence you are NOT allowed to sell the old version, OR to
give the new version to a friend who owns the old one. Note: Bug fixes are
a different matter. In general bug fixes are distributed free or at nominal
cost. A good analogy would be the way Apple handles CPU upgrades. You pay
for it, they take your old CPU motherboard, and give you a new one. I
highly doubt anyone would expect to be able to keep the old motherboard and
sell it to a friend. Also I should point out that people buying software
are very lucky that they are able to get upgrades so consistently and
cheaply compared to any other product (Excuse me, I would like to upgrade
this toaster to the newest model...)
>
>If this does seem a bit hazy then an 'escape' to such legal to-ing and
>fro-ing is to always buy a 'competitive upgrade' to the other company's
>product. That other company has NO RIGHTS over your licence to the first
>product, so that it can certainly be sold to your friend.
Nice idea, except that when a company (at least my company) provides a
compeditive upgrade, the deal is that you must transfer the rights to the
other product to them. Now, I know that this is not carried out physically
(Send the disks and manuals) by many companies, and I have not looked at
the licesnse agreements for compeditive upgrades of other companies. Also I
should point out that compeditive upgrades are often more expensive than
upgrades from previous versions of the same software.

The main point is: Software companies improve their products for two
reasons: 1) To compete for new customers, and 2) To make money from old
customers. The revenue from upgrades is a very important reason that many
fine products out there continue to be improved regularily.

Alex Hopmann, ResNova Software, Inc.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 13:17:41 -0500
From: "Alan D. Danziger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: StuffIt-Not-Converter??

In comp.sys.mac.digest you write:

>  I have downloaded /info-mac/util/stuffit-converter-302.hqx from sumex, but
>I haven't managed to get it working yet. Any time I drag and drop a Compact
>Pro or old StuffIt archive on it, it just loads and quits without doing
>anything, contrary to what is stated in the read-me file. Adding the same
>files to its list from within the program (i.e., 6.0.x method) yields the
same
>result as well. Has anybody else encountered a similar problem or am I
missing
>something?

>  Ertugrul Gokcen
>  [e-mail]

I'm not positive, but I think you might need Stuffit Lite or Deluxe
installed for Converter to work; It probably uses the 'Stuffit Engine'
(part of the shareware or commercial package) to do the compression...

    -=Alan

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 19:35:45 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Leonard Rosenthol)
Subject: StuffIt Converter (A)

>  I have downloaded /info-mac/util/stuffit-converter-302.hqx from sumex, but
>I haven't managed to get it working yet. Any time I drag and drop a Compact
>Pro or old StuffIt archive on it, it just loads and quits without doing
>anything, contrary to what is stated in the read-me file. Adding the same
>files to its list from within the program (i.e., 6.0.x method) yields the
same
>result as well. Has anybody else encountered a similar problem or am I
missing
>something?
>
    Yup, you are probably missing the StuffIt Engine!  The StuffIt
Converter application is only usable by owners of StuffIt Deluxe, which
includes the StuffIt Engine.

    However, we will be releasing a freeware converter (called CPT2SIT)
very shortly for users of StuffIt Lite, or those who wish to save more
disks space by converting their larger CPT archives into smaller StuffIt
ones.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:44:25 EST
From: [e-mail] (Mel Martinez x8378)
Subject: Sys7.1 vs Sys7.0.1 speed report(C)

A couple issues back I posted a report to the archives showing the speed
comparison between Sys7.1 & Sys7.0.1 on a Quadra 700.  Several people have
notified me that some of the relative differences do not hold on at least
some other Mac models.  Specifically, the SANE performance on Mac IIci's is
less with sys7.1 while it is not affected on the Quadra.  I have a couple
of comments on this and then a request.

1) Most all agree that the difference seems to be that the Omega Sane
patches that appeared with sys7.0.1 are no longer part of 7.1.  The Quadra,
however, has a slightly different fpu instruction set because of the '040's
built-in fpu and therefore uses math routines in ROM.

2) No one seems to have figured out why Apple dropped the Omega Sane from
the System software.

3) Keep in mind that when sys 7.0.1 came out, NOT ALL Macs ever benefited
>From Omega Sane.  It is probable that these Macs, like the Quadra, will
show no change in SANE performance when they upgrade to Sys7.1.  With that
in mind, I BELIEVE (someone correct me if wrong) that the machines that did
benefit from the Omega Sane patch were the IIfx, IIci & IIsi.  For non-fpu
machines this is not an issue.  The PowerBook 170 came out WITH sys7.0.1
and appeared to benefit in that it had great math performance compared to
the 7.0 IIfx.  Has someone compared the PB170 with sy7.1 vs sys7.0.1?

At this point I would like to request that anybody out there who is about
to upgrade from sys7.0.1 to 7.1 who has the time to do me a little favor:

Download info-mac/util/speedometer_31.hqx from the archives and run it on
your machine both pre- & post- upgrade.  Make sure you have the same set
(or none) of extentions running.  Save each test as a text file, combine
them and email them to me.  I will then re-post the report after
consolidating the submissions.  Make sure to include configuration
information.

Please do NOT send me the binary Machine Record files that Speedometer
uses.

This comparison is obviously easy to do if, like me you have two drives
with 7.1 on one and 7.0.1 on the other.

The resulting file should be a lot more useful to more people.

Oh, yeah, a comment on the 'consistency' of Speedometer since someone just
questioned it.  That person took it to task because whereas in one
benchmark (CPU rating) the Classic II scored essentially the same as the
SE/30 while in the Dhrystone the SE/30 came out much better.  He even
states the reasons:  The CPU test must be small enough to fit inside the
68030 caches while the dhrystone mark must make use of the meory bus, whish
is 32 bits on the SE/30 and only 16 bits on the Classic II.  Well, geeze,
WHY DO YOU THINK SPEEDOMETER PRESENTS MORE THAN ONE BENCHMARK IN THE FIRST
PLACE???????  NO SINGLE BENCHMARK is *EVER* going to be a complete
indicator of the relative performance of two systems!!!!  That is why
Speedometer presents a SUITE of benchmarks.  The CPU rating is small so
that it does indeed test JUST the CPU and not the memory architecture.  It
is important to look at all the benchmarks to understand not just the
differences between two machines but also the similarities.  The Classic II
and the SE/30 both have 16 MHz 68030 cpus.  Therefore they SHOULD get
similar CPU ratings.  On the other hand, the wider bus on the SE/30 means
that it SHOULD get better ratings on benchmarks like the dhrystone that
move memory chunks around.  And since it has an fpu, the SE/30 SHOULD get
better floating point marks.  And surprise!  Speedometer does it's job by
showing these differences AND similarities.

disclaimer:  I did not write Speedometer nor do I even have it on my hard
drive anymore.  I do know that it does what it is meant to do: compare Macs
(and ONLY macs) against each other across a suite of benchmarks.

Mel Martinez
The Johns Hopkins University
Dept. of Physics
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:04 PDT
From: Ed Costello <[e-mail]>
Subject: System 7 funniness (T)

Thanks to those who pointed me at the Finder Preferences file to solve my
previous questions about the things not "sticking" in the Finder.  (Diagram
*that* sentence, Sister Charles)

Thanks to :

    Chris Webster
    Norton Chia
    Jurjen N.E. Bos


- Ed

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:37:25 -0800
From: "Carl L. Gay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Terminal emulator suggestions needed.

I need a good terminal emulator/comm program.  My requirements are (in
order of priority):

(1) Enables me to connect to Unix (tm) boxen and run emacs.
(2) Will let me use > 24 lines.
(3) Will let me map the Option key to a meta key, or
(4) Supports keyboard macros that will allow me to simulate (3).

Here's what I've tried and why it has failed:

White Knight 11.12: Won't do (2) or (3).  Will do (4).

Zterm 0.85: Won't do (3) or (4).  Also has other annoying problems.

MacKermit 0.99(185): Seems to support all of the above but I can't
seem to get (3) to work and when I try (4) the application
"unexpectedly quits."

If you know how I can fix the problems in MacKermit, or if you know of
ather software that will support (1) through (4) please let me know.
I will cosider freeware, shareware or payware, as long as it does what
I want.  I am using a IIsi with System 7.0.  Thanks!

Reply by email please.
-Carl ([e-mail])

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:59 EST
From: "[e-mail]"@HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU
Subject: Trashcan Label Help!!

Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.0-3 14/03/90 VAX/VMS; site husc3.harvard.edu
Path: husc8!lee5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Subject: Trashcan Label Help!!
Message-ID: <lee5.721943856@husc8>
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Lee)
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:57:36 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: husc8.harvard.edu
Lines: 9

Help!! I'm used to having my trashcan labelled as color7 (green on my
comp), but suddenly it keeps on reverting to plain grey... I think this
might be due to it getting a 6.0x finder flag but I can't find anything to
correct the problem...
 I'm running system 7.0.1 tuned....

-Pat
 <[e-mail]>

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 20:30 PDT
From: "Tony Wong ......" <[e-mail]>
Subject: What is LaTex, by the way?

Hi,

It may be yet another FAQ. What is LaTex?

I found Alpha is very well designed, sophisticated program editor, but
just don't know what is LaTex.

Thanks.

                            Tony Wong
                            [e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 11:42 CDT
From: "Dwight Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Word 5.1

The question was weather or not the upgrade to Word 5.1 was worth the
$14.95 that Microsoft was charging us.  Well, I just got my upgrade three
days ago so:

It depends on it you are missing any new bells and whistles that you haven't
heard of and therefore haven't developed a need for.  This is not a
maintenance
release nor a full upgrade--it adds more features.

Probably the neatest new feature is the addition of a toolbar to go with the
ribbon that we got with 5.0.  It is nearly identical to the toolbar from
Excel 4.0.  It is also customizable wo that you can take the commands you
use most often and put them in front of you.

Next, I'd have to say that the table function has been greatly simplified with
the addition of a pull-down table.  You just drag it to the desired dimensions
and it creates the table.

Less interesting, but still useful is an addressbook feature to let you
store frequently used addresses in the toolbar prefs file.  However, it is
merely support to an very easy to use envelope printing utility.  Just
select the address in the letter you're creating and select envelope from
the toolbar.

The last feature is probably the least useful--especially for someone like
me who has both Excel 4 and DeltaGraph Pro--it is a graphing plug-in.  It
allows you to select a table in your document and create a graph from it.
While useful for those without a better alternative, I'll stick to sub
-scribing to my DeltaGraph output.

Is it worth the $14.95 (+ $5 shipping)?  As that only covers the cost of
distributing the disks--yes.

-DWight

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 10:31:27 EST
From: [e-mail] (Thomas R. Blake)

>>I just would like to know if it is possible to connect a Mac to an EPSON
>>FX printer ? The EPSON FX printer has a parallel port, and the Mac has
>>only serial ports.
>
>The Epson FX is supported by Orange Micro's Grappler II which is
>available from the usual mail order suspects.

I own a Grappler, and am not entirely pleased by the results I get from it.
 Personally I would suggest checking out GDT PowerPrint.  You see, the
grappler works by using your ImageWriter driver, and then trying to map the
ImageWriter graphics to your (my) Epson.  Well, they don't quite.  As a
result, I get straight lines that aren't really, and text that just isn't
as nice as I'd expect.

Using Chuck's Printer Driver, I got comparitively beautiful results, but
unfortunately, the software is not as rigorous as it might be.  (I suffered
greatly from crashes.)  The advatage of Chuck's Printer Driver is that it
*really was* a driver for the Epson.  (Note that CPD still requires the
purchase of a Serial to Parallel converter.  Both the Grapppler, and GDT
are partly this converter.  The Grappler converter has more brains on
board, to do the ImageWriter funkiness.)

GDT PowerPrint also provides you with a *real* Epson driver.  I am familiar
with PowerPrint from helping set one up for a user here with an HP.
Eventually, when I get frustrated enough by my Grappler, I'll probably buy
a PowerPrint.  (The thing is, for the money I will have spent on the two
converters, I could have bought a large part of a StyleWriter by now!
Sheesh!  [Sound of hand hitting forehead.])

In all fairness, there is some advantage to using the Grappler "Pseudo
ImageWriter" solution, in that there may be programs that know how to drive
an ImageWriter, (and take advantage of its specific features).  Also keep
in mind that the ImageWriter driver should be compatible with future
versions of the OS while there may be some question about the GDT driver.
(I'm not too worried though.)

                        Tom Blake
                        Binghamton University

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