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- From: gast@CS.UCLA.EDU (David Gast)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
- Subject: Re: Phone Records: Public or Private?
- Message-ID: <telecom12.849.1@eecs.nwu.edu>
- Date: 15 Nov 92 20:25:35 GMT
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-
- (Steven A Rubin) sar1952@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu wrote and asked about
- phone records:
-
- > I am trying to find out if the customer records the RBOCs keep on what
- > exchanges customers call is public record. Also, are long distance
- > records public?
-
- It depends what you mean by public record. If you mean, can you
- typically walk into an RBOC or IXC and ask to see the calling records
- of someone, then the answer I presume is usually no. If you mean, if
- you walk in with enough money in your pockets, are the RBOCs and the
- IXCs able to give you the information, the answer is yes. A program
- on bounty hunters (that is, people tracking down people who have
- skipped bail) shows the bounty hunter calling up PacBell or GTE and
- getting the information necessary to track someone down. I do not
- believe any money was exchanged. If you want to know if your records
- are confidential, the answer is definitely no. If you want
- confidentiality, go to a pay phone and pay with cash or a stored value
- card where available.
-
- While I do not claim to have any knowledge of individual states, the
- following are the federal rules. (BTW, this information is not new;
- PAT must have missed it or disregarded. If you want the exact FCC
- ruling number and the precise section of the ECPA, I would search the
- archives in late February or March, 1992).
-
- The ECPA allows transactional information, as opposed to the content
- of the calls, to disclosed to any non-governmental organization or
- person. Government has to get a court order.
-
- The FCC has ruled that the IXCs *must* share information transactional
- information with other IXCs. Their reasoning is that by sharing info,
- the oligopolies will lower prices. (I don't believe it for a minute).
-
- An interesting aside to this conversation is who owns the information
- when you call an 800 or 900 number? LL Bean, for example, believes
- that since they pay for the call, they should own the data. Their
- carrier says that since they carried the call, they should. At
- dispute is whether the carrier can sell information about who calls LL
- Bean to LL Bean's competitors. I think that neither of them should
- have the right to do anything with it since I did not give them
- permission. So to that end I don't use 800 numbers.
-
- > [Moderator's Note: No sir, they are not! They are proprietary records
- > of the telco, released only to the customer or by subpoena to law
- > enforcement agencies, etc. ...
- > But other than for billing and/or investigative purposes *no one* is
- > to get records of your calls. PAT]
-
- Not true according to the ECPA. Read it.
-
- Joe Konstan <konstan@cs.umn.edu> writes:
-
- > Didn't we have a discussion about this some six months ago.
-
- We did.
-
- > that the upshot was that LONG DISTANCE call records had to be
- > disclosed by your long distance company to any other long distance
- > companies to "help them effectively compete" for your business.
-
- > [Moderator's Note: I do not think other LD companies can get your call
- > records, name, address or phone number for any reason other than
- > billing purposes, at least not legally.
-
- They are required to be given access by the FCC. The only exception
- is if you have 25 or more lines. Big business likes it privacy.
-
-
- David
-