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- From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
- Newsgroups: ca.politics
- Subject: Property Ownership and Usage
- Message-ID: <1epq7qINN7t8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 05:29:29 GMT
- Organization: Santa Cruz
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- The following comprises the tenant of property as set forth by
- the original poster:
-
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- 2. PROPERTY
- Property consists of three parts:
- a. Your body.
- b. Your mind and ideas, concepts, expressions, and mental derivitives.
- c. Your tangible derivitives, your physically present material items.
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- First, I think the word is derivative(s) and since it appears twice I
- will assume you do not know the correct spelling.
-
- a. Your body- well in a egocentric ideology this would appear to be
- true. But within a world view, you are a caretaker and temporary
- user of your body. It will be reclaimed by the world as a whole,
- this is unavoidable. But if you wish to operate under the concept
- of egotism- then we will say this is true.
-
- b. Well most of your ideas, concepts, expressions probably belong to
- the originator of these things. For instance the concept of gravity
- or orbital motion of planets does not belong to me per se, it is if
- you wish, belongs to the one who first conceptualize and then passed
- that knowledge along. Mental derivatives may be your own, if it turns
- out that it is a new creation. But there are philosophers who will
- argue that everything already exist, and we are just treasure hunters.
-
- c. I suppose this boils down to what a person physically owes. Well
- this is true within the context of our societal setting. But if we
- obtained property via someone who coerced it from someone else, then
- where do we draw the line. And physically present materials poses the
- problem of the natural material items that may be present in the
- physical setting of materials that we have acquired. For example,
- if I purchase a piece of land and it contains items that were already
- there, without my help, such as trees, animals etc., do I own them?
- Much of what we own is a product of our endeavors, but some of it
- exist already, and I can hypothesis that it does not belong to us
- except within what the society has stated as boundary values for
- ownership.
-
- Of the fundamental thoughts which surround ownership and placing one's
- flag of conquest upon it. Your mind and ideas, concepts, expressions,
- and mental derivatives, again arise from the capitalist concepts of
- product. At this point it is easy to fail in understanding that most
- (if not all in some cases) of our knowledge is inherited from others.
- We first construct our thinking and discriminations based upon those
- concepts and ideas that appeal and/or influenece us the most. It is
- from this point that we may claim 'ownership' of the above, but to
- what avail? Physically tangentable materials? We may at best be
- considered care-takers of all material things. We do not posses
- them, we use them, and hopefully care for them, so that future
- generations may have the opportunity to utilize them as well.
-