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- From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
- Newsgroups: ca.politics
- Subject: Re: More Evidence That Homosexuality Is A Result of Child Sexual Abuse
- Message-ID: <102464@bu.edu>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 16:41:57 GMT
- References: <13214@optilink.UUCP> <197503@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov>
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- In article <197503@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov>
- pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:
-
- >In article <13214@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
-
- >> Previously, I have posted excerpts from two recent scholarly
- >> works on child sexual abuse that recognized a connection between
- >> child sexual abuse and adult homosexuality.
-
- >I really wish you'd be more careful in your citing of your research. [...]
- >The most significant problem is your vague use of terminology--specifically,
- >just what is this "connection" you refer to?
-
- Don't you think this vagueness is intentional, Paul?
-
- >Were all homosexuals molested as children?
-
- No evidenced yet posted to that effect. Nor to the effect that homosexual
- men were more likely to have been molested as children than heterosexual.
-
- Heck, he can't even say that all *fixated molesters* were molested as
- children. Gene Abel showed that a whopping 60% of fixated molesters had
- no history of victimization as children.
-
- >Do all children who are molested become homosexual?
-
- Clearly not, so let's jsut ingore that point. :^)
-
- >The relevant passages were as follows:
- >
- >From the Everstine's work:
- >
- > She might adopt an asexual lifestyle or homosexual lifestyle, as a
- > method of coping with the original incestuous conflict, designed to
- > protect her from the source of trauma in possible future conflicts.
-
- Anyone can see that the motives are different here. There are plenty
- of lesbians who will testify that they are lesbians because they are
- attracted to other women, not because they are afraid of men and become
- lesbian "by default".
-
- >Note a couple of things in the above passage: 1) it appears that they are
- >discussing a specific sub-class of molested victims--women who were molested
- >by a relative (presumably a father?); 2) no hard numbers are provided as to
- >how many women react in this way; 3) the weasel word, "might", tends to
- >devalue the point of the paragraph.
-
- Not to mention the other weasel words: "asexual lifestyle or"
- ^^^^^^^ ^^
- [...]
- >The second source from your research consists of two passages from the work
- >by Bagley & King. The first passage is as follows:
- >
- > Boys who had been sexually abused and who as young adults were
- > currently practising homosexuals, had rather poor self-concept
- > in comparison with all other groups, except those who were cur-
- > rently homosexual but who had never been sexually abused as
- > children.
- >
- >Once again, my reading skills may be deficient, but I don't see where this
- >offers any support for your hypothesis. Basically, all this passage seems
- >to say is that homosexuals have low self-esteem. This is news? It cer-
- >tainly offers no support for a link between homosexuality and child moles-
- >tation.
-
- Exactly.
-
- Clayton seemingly refuses to believe that hetersexist peer pressure can
- have a deletorious impact on the self-esteem of gay youth, even adults.
-
- Of course it would be hard for someone like him who only gets *positive*
- feedback from such pressure, but...
-
- [...]
- >In any case, I think I can safely say that your opening sentence, "recognized
- >a connection child sexual abuse and adult homosexuality," is simply wrong.
- >Based on these excerpts from your own research, you cannot honestly make
- >such a claim.
-
- I think about all he can say at this point is that both child abuse (and its
- accompanying hysteria) and socially acceptable heterosexism are two separate
- factors which lead to low self-esteem in abuse victims and/or gay individuals.
- As with any categories, there are bound to be members who overlap, whose
- histories are such that they belong to both categories.
-
- To claim that such individuals are completely representative of both categories
- is indeed presumptuous.
-
- Brian
-